ELGUY

Hi fellas, two questions. My recent alignment report shows -2.1 degrees negative RF and -1.9 LF. The camber is very noticeable. The toe is close to zero and within spec. What are your thoughts on camber kits at this point? considering the car sees a small bit of solo use, and at the limit grip at this setting is fierce. With a camber kit, can I adjust the camber freely without upsetting toe? im assuming I can. I can get the camber close with a level and string. If I can get away without the kit Id be happy, but dont want to scorch my tires. I only drive about 6,000 kms a year, and swap tires in the winter. Thoughts?????? Thanks for the help with an old question. Ryan

imported_mikepasini

yes... for the front anyway... its just a bolt that you can loosen and change it around... not sure how it would affect your toe, but i don't believe it will... i wouldn't do my own alignment if i were you... they have computers for that. you can just get a bolt and some washers at cdn tire to do the back, but to change the camber again you will have to pretty much pull it out and take the washers out.

i don't have a camber kit and i am sitting on h&r race... i don't have a camber kit and its fine... i do eat up the insides a little bit, but for cornering i find it gives a slightly better stance.

Cynikal.Mindset

race springs with no kit is bad news...if you are eating the inner portion of your tires this means that you arent getting optimal tire to road contact and why anybody would want this is beyond me

imported_mikepasini

^^^^^^^not even... i only wear the inside out a little faster, but its more from spinning the tires and occassional understeer that really helps wear them down... the back tires are perfect still after 6 months... just they take no abuse...

also, thats is not entirely correct when i am talking about taking hard corners... have a little negative camber is a ++++++++ for that... look at race cars... i know they go a hell of a lot faster than my civic, but they have negative camber as well and it has function...

Cynikal.Mindset

race cars also change their tires like 1nce an hour hahaha

imported_mikepasini

^^^^^^^^^true... well, i get your point anyway... in most applications it will wear sooner, but i am just running some all seasons on 15s and the sidewalls have enough give in them that when i take a hard corner i get full contact...

now if you are running 17s on some low pros they will definitely chew away faster and especially if you have some nice sticky tires they will wear out nice and fast...

ELGUY

Thanks guys, Not sure if I have a better gut feeling now, but I'm riding on a 205-55-15 so there is some give. 2 degrees is noticeable by a fair bit, and Ive heard a lot of guys having no wear issues, with corrected toe. Ryan

imported_mikepasini

welll, just keep an eye out on the inside of the tire... the only thing unsafe is most ppl just look at the outside of the tire, but the inside wears a lot faster than you think.

Cynikal.Mindset

yea, the far inside isnt noticable till its too late in many cases and of course its always prominent on the fronts...my buddy who is a mechanic would rotate his tires once a month and in some cases unmount them and swap sides so the inside was now the outside

imported_Rayz_si

When doing alignment, any adjustment you make, will effect another. If you adjust the camber, the toe will be slightly affected. Mostly the toe is the last adjustment when aligning.

You can get a camber kit which will provide even wear throughout the tire, and a nice even tread grip. But once you do the, your aidewalls will become even more close to the fenders. These cars already have limited fender travel i'd just stick without a camber kit.

I'm dropped on Eibach sportlines and my tires are wearing more on the inside, but not horribly. I'm only dropped 1.8", keep in mind the lower you go the MORE negative camber you will have.