Serious Talk - Body Fat
22-Dec-2009, 01:47 PM
#3521
Luka
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do the same for any other type of pulling excercise
i.e. seated cable rows
try to pinch your shoulder blades together when you pull the weight in towards you
22-Dec-2009, 01:58 PM
#3522
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but for the pull down behind the neck, since the exercise is not widely recommended, some ppl still do it but only to 90degrees
i see ppl bench pressing 3 plates each side but only doing 1/2 way down...that's ***** weight in my opinion if ur going half way down only...anyone can do that.
22-Dec-2009, 02:11 PM
#3523
Luka
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you're missing the point
you can do an excercise anyway you want if it's your own preference.
But why continue doing it behind your neck when:
a) you're putting yourself at the risk of injury
b) by doing it to 90 degrees your lowering your range of motion and making an already stupid movement even dumber
you can do an excercise anyway you want if it's your own preference.
But why continue doing it behind your neck when:
a) you're putting yourself at the risk of injury
b) by doing it to 90 degrees your lowering your range of motion and making an already stupid movement even dumber
22-Dec-2009, 02:12 PM
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I've seen soooo many people do the seated row exercise incorrectly. They are rocking back and forth, whipping the weights like a madman. I just want to say "dude, you are not on a real row boat, relax and keep your posture and do the exercise properly"
22-Dec-2009, 02:28 PM
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you're missing the point
you can do an excercise anyway you want if it's your own preference.
But why continue doing it behind your neck when:
a) you're putting yourself at the risk of injury
b) by doing it to 90 degrees your lowering your range of motion and making an already stupid movement even dumber
you can do an excercise anyway you want if it's your own preference.
But why continue doing it behind your neck when:
a) you're putting yourself at the risk of injury
b) by doing it to 90 degrees your lowering your range of motion and making an already stupid movement even dumber
22-Dec-2009, 02:32 PM
#3528
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22-Dec-2009, 02:33 PM
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that exercise has it's benefits for sure....it's SAFE if you have PROPER form and know your limits.
don't go pulling down 200lbs when you are only able to do 50....that goes for any exercise.
QUALITY over QUANTITY is what I tell the ppl I train.
22-Dec-2009, 02:33 PM
#3530
Luka
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Here's a better explanation:
To do the behind-the-neck pulldown as normally instructed, you must externally rotate your shoulders as much as possible. This is a very delicate position for your shoulders.
The supporting muscles of the shoulders (known as the rotator cuff) are not in a good position to stabilize the joint and injury to those supporting muscles can result, which can lead to further injury in the connective tissue of the joint.
On top of that, since most people do not have enough shoulder flexibility to get a straight line of pull behind the neck, they must bend their neck forward to even do the movement. This can result in neck strain on top of shoulder strain. This information also applies to the behind-the-neck pull-up exercise. The mechanics of the movement are exactly the same, the only difference being you're pulling yourself up instead of pulling the weight down.
To do the behind-the-neck pulldown as normally instructed, you must externally rotate your shoulders as much as possible. This is a very delicate position for your shoulders.
The supporting muscles of the shoulders (known as the rotator cuff) are not in a good position to stabilize the joint and injury to those supporting muscles can result, which can lead to further injury in the connective tissue of the joint.
On top of that, since most people do not have enough shoulder flexibility to get a straight line of pull behind the neck, they must bend their neck forward to even do the movement. This can result in neck strain on top of shoulder strain. This information also applies to the behind-the-neck pull-up exercise. The mechanics of the movement are exactly the same, the only difference being you're pulling yourself up instead of pulling the weight down.
22-Dec-2009, 02:34 PM
#3531
Luka
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you train people to do behind the neck pulldowns?
I hope they don't pay you?
22-Dec-2009, 02:34 PM
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22-Dec-2009, 02:35 PM
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behind the neck is not for beginners b/c they will injure themselves
as a general rule, I tell them to focus more on their form rather than the amt of weight being lifted.....once you have great form, strength will come soon after...not the other way around.
and yes i get paid
22-Dec-2009, 02:36 PM
#3535
Luka
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actually you're a DOUCHE if you're being serious about training people.
You're putting your "trainees" at a risk of injury in return for no potential extra benefit of using that form.
Sounds pretty smart to me.
22-Dec-2009, 02:37 PM
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22-Dec-2009, 02:38 PM
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i bring it down to the back of my neck, but i dont go heavy where you are putting strain on your rotator cuff.
you see in this pic how this guy is sitting, when i do behind the neck i sit other way around.
sitting other way around does not put to much pressure on the roator cuff
you see in this pic how this guy is sitting, when i do behind the neck i sit other way around.
sitting other way around does not put to much pressure on the roator cuff
22-Dec-2009, 02:38 PM
#3538
Luka
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OK
answer the question already.
Why exactly do you have to do the opposite of what you're supposed to be doing?
What benefit do you think you're getting from doing it behind the neck vs. infront to the chest i.e. the PROPER way?
answer the question already.
Why exactly do you have to do the opposite of what you're supposed to be doing?
What benefit do you think you're getting from doing it behind the neck vs. infront to the chest i.e. the PROPER way?
22-Dec-2009, 02:39 PM
#3539
Luka
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i bring it down to the back of my neck, but i dont go heavy where you are putting strain on your rotator cuff.
you see in this pic how this guy is sitting, when i do behind the neck i sit other way around.
sitting other way around does not put to much pressure on the roator cuff
you see in this pic how this guy is sitting, when i do behind the neck i sit other way around.
sitting other way around does not put to much pressure on the roator cuff
you're a lost cause if you think that's good for your traps
22-Dec-2009, 02:40 PM
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come on man....write complete sentences!
