WayFastWhitie

heres the deal, i have 2.25" exhaust with a magnaflow muffler. Its all crush bent.. Have my cat etc.

Well i was on my way home from waterloo last night crusing doing 80khm (speed limit) on a back road. A undercover pulls me over and says my exhaust is too loud. My dad was with me and we blamed it on a exhaust leak. Anyways.. I got away without a ticket but he says its just a warning and its excessively loud and cant be any louder then stock..

If i do get a ticket, are these easy to fight and win? Magnaflow mufflers are a upgrade of a stock replacements.

Thanks

imported_GoldBadge

Apparently it's up to the officer's discretion. If they think it's too loud, then they can bust you...That's why I got an Apex'i World Sport 2 so I don't have to worry about that ****.

spracingsports

you can fight it though.... if a harley can roar down a street, a civic better be able to

imported_Bruce Fee

but people who ride harleys sometimes are scary to the cops even.

spracingsports

my dad drives a harley.... and he couldnt scare a preschooler

imported_kIeRaN

LOL, my buddy got an exhaust ticket and he went to court and won, its not hard to fite it man. mostly all the time u will win

imported_trackhack

If you really want to tone the exhaust down, toss a resonator in the system. With the Magnaflow muffler when driven "normally" the exhaust won't sound like a bunch of pissed off bees.

imported_t_dot_SiR

its easy to fight.... coz the cops really can't determine your exhaust has exceed the db level... all he can do is say he thinks its too excess in noise and so you get a ticket... all you do is goto court, set a courtdate... and goto court on that day... it'll drop most of the time... first off, the cop dun care, 2nd, a loud muff hardly exceed the db level that can disturb people mentally... think of those constructions sites hahaha... they are like FREAKING A$$ loud... hahaha... people even have hard time suing them! hahaha...

Civic_on_tha_DL

Alright, well I've had TWO of the tickets in the past. And there is no set decibal level. Right from the HTA, it states if itmakes exccesove noise (which is bascially any noise at all), they can write you a ticket. All those rumours about it being within a particular decibal level is BS.

I used to have a big N1 angled muffler on my car, I've now switched to a GREDDY/Trust style exhaust, which is very quite when idling, and regular driving, but screams when vtec kicks in.


If you don't want exhuast tickets, dont put an exhuast on that is loud. Simple as that.

Civic_on_tha_DL

Oh, and to add to what you said... the cops DO show most of the time, because the court processes all of that officers tickets on the same day, as well, its part of the officers job to show. Its the same thing if I didn't show up for work on a particular day... yuo HAVE to go to work.

Those guys that drive the harleys DO get tickets. The cops LOVE handing them out to them.

Cynikal.Mindset

external engine opposed to concealed engine...they fall under different laws...plus loud hondas sound like *** anyways

imported_t_dot_SiR

haha... you can always fight back at the cop for racial profiling or some kind of profiling....... coz the loudness of the exhaust is based on the discretion of the cop...... so if there's no dB rules... this allows us to bite back at the cop for harassing us simply coz they hate us (such as giving us an exhaust ticket in which our exhaust doesn't disturb other cops or even it doesn't disturb most people...)

maybe we can gather up someday and protest about it at ottawa hahahaha............ all motorist gather up together and put those cops down that simply harasss us coz they dun like us! haha (sorry, i'm getting carry away... coz i just had a wild drive in the snow... it was crazy out there....... )

nashall

fight it.....i did and it was dropped...the cop made all this BS about it. i had a small hole in the exhaust, and fixed it...showed the judge the repair bill and said i was on my way to the shop to fix it anyways before the cop pulled me over. well it was a lie, but it did the job

motti

Congratulations on becoming an accomplished liar. Your mother would be so proud.

Whazzzup

First of all, A performance muffler on your car is NOT ILLEGAL. Performance mufflers would have been illegal if Bill 241 http://www.ontla.on.ca/documents/Bil...on3/b241_e.htm introducted into the Legislative Assembly of Ontario had passed in the Fall of 2003. Fortunatly for us the Bill was defeated because it was too poorly worded.


In the Ontario Highway Traffic Act (HTA), http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/S...sh/90h08_e.htm
specifically section 75 (1) reads as follows:



As you can see it says that a "Hollywood muffler" is illegal. Now I'm a licenced auto mechanic and have just graduated from Automotive Product Design. I've been involved with cars since 1994, and had absolutely no clue what a "hollywood muffler" was. I had never heard of it or seen one. Through research I was able to find out what it was, and here's a pic of what it looks like.



This image was taken from http://www.stainlesssteelmufflers.co...elMufflers.htm
If you scroll down the page it gives the dimensions of the muffler. The muffler with the most sound absorbing material will have only 1/2" of material surounding the inner tube. Obviously this is not very much, and I think it's pretty easily understandable why they made them illegal.

Now I don't have a problem with police and actually feel that they are caught in the middle. I'm sure that they get a lot of complaints from people about cars that have loud exhaust. I did have an officer tell me "Do you think it's fair that these people get woken up in the middle of the night by these cars?" The answer is no I don't, but is it fair to me that if I work a night shift, come home at 5 in the morning and go to bed, only to be woken up by a dump truck driving down my street (houses are being built on my street), or someone's snowblower that I have to listen to for 15 to 20 mins, or someones lawnmower or snowmobile? The answer again is no I don't. Life in general can be unfair and there are some things that people just have to learn to live with. I personally don't care if someone with a performance exhaust wakes me up because you can only hear it for a few seconds, and then it's gone.

The problem is that it doesn't matter if you think it's too loud or not. It only matters if an officer thinks it's too loud or not. The officer could (it's highly unlikely but possible) be the only person in the entire province that thinks it's too loud. So one person in 11 million thinks it's too loud and is therefore illegal. Does this make sense to you? because it doesn't make sense to me.

The way this law is worded, I could go out and buy a brand new car and if an officer thought it was too loud, I could get a ticket. Even if it is completely stock. A good example of this is the Dodge SRT4. You can buy a brand new SRT4 and it has no muffler on it, right from the factory!!! Wait a minute here....... if I was driving this car, could i get a ticket for having no muffler?? The answer is yes you can. The truth is that there are brand new cars being produced and sold everyday in this province that are equiped with muffler that according to the HTA are illegal. A couple of examples are the Ford Freestar and Chevy Equinox both use a straight through muffler design that the HTA says is illegal. There are others but I don't want to get into a huge list.

So your probly now asking yourself "Why can new car manufacturers equip vehicles with illegal mufflers" Don't automotive manufacturers have to abide by the same laws and rules that I do? The reason they can do this is because they met two Society of Automotive Engineer (SAE) www.sae.org standards for noise that are in the Motor Vehicle Act. http://www.tc.gc.ca/acts-regulations...NORP.DHPUME.66

The same officer told me that "standards don't matter." If standards don't matter then why do we have vehicle saftey inspections (cars and transport trucks), and the drive clean program? The automotive industry isn't the only industry that uses standards. Why do you think we have building inspectors? Why do all automotive manufacturers follow SAE standards. We have standards for a reason. Anyone involved with automotive engineering can tell you SAE standards are used and followed. If standards don't matter then why does the federal government use two SAE standards for exhaust noise in the Motor Vehicle Act from Transport Canada?

There is currently one stardard from SAE (J1169) to measure the dB level of aftermarket exhaust systems. This standard is being used in California, Washington, and Maine. Some exhaust manufacturers are striving to meet this standard (Vibrant in Mississauga). Others want nothing to do with it, so they put warning labels on them saying "For off road or show use only"

I know that Mr. Rossi Jr. of Vibrant Performance is trying to get the law changed so it is based on a dB rating system. I don't know the current status of the situation, but I have told him I want to be invovled and help in any way possible. This is something that I feel very strongly about and I have ideas on things I can do. I do not want to give up on this, and want to see something in place that's fair for automotive enthusiasts of all kinds as well as something that is fair for the public and police.


The problem is the law itself because everyones definition of "excessive noise" is different.

Let me know how you make out.

Thanks goes to:
Barry Trap at Performance Unlimited
Dino Rossi Jr. at Vibrant Performance
Officer #3708 of the Barrie Police Dept. for telling me to "Go to the library, read the highway traffic act, and get educated"


Best Regards,
"The Chad"