TURBO vs. SUPERCHARGER
24-Mar-2003, 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by donesixer
I've said it before... whoa man...
A supercharger will create power everywhere. I does take power to spin a super charger but you will be on boost by 1500rpm. It takes 40hp to drive it, but it produces 90hp. Means you're up 50hp. Very driveable, fairly low maintenance.
Yes, the superchargers on the market have blow-off vlaves.
Turbo is not connected to the crank like the supercharger. It takes a second or two for the turbo to reach it's efficient rpm.
Once it gets there, it won't heat the air like the supercharger. It is more efficient=more boost safely=moh powah...
Some of you guys should research a little more before you spew advice.
I've said it before... whoa man...
A supercharger will create power everywhere. I does take power to spin a super charger but you will be on boost by 1500rpm. It takes 40hp to drive it, but it produces 90hp. Means you're up 50hp. Very driveable, fairly low maintenance.
Yes, the superchargers on the market have blow-off vlaves.
Turbo is not connected to the crank like the supercharger. It takes a second or two for the turbo to reach it's efficient rpm.
Once it gets there, it won't heat the air like the supercharger. It is more efficient=more boost safely=moh powah...
Some of you guys should research a little more before you spew advice.
And I did say 1500 rpm did I not (for SC).
Turbochargers take a couple seconds for it to spin up.. that's correct. I did say that also above. That's why I said there was turbo lag.
24-Mar-2003, 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by cosmic
um...i could be wrong here.... but from what i can read... all you've done is reiterate what no spleeny has said .....and manage to tell Slvr-Bullet that he doesn't know about SCs and that they are low maintence
um...i could be wrong here.... but from what i can read... all you've done is reiterate what no spleeny has said .....and manage to tell Slvr-Bullet that he doesn't know about SCs and that they are low maintence
24-Mar-2003, 02:15 PM
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This thing is giving me a headache.
There are really only two main kits that we're talking about here. Vortech and JR. The JR is a positive displacement supercharger. Boost is available from 1 RPM to 10k. It doesn't take any time create boost. It's perfect for low rpm torque. You cannot have a working BOV with the JRSC and Eaton Blower. The Vortech is a centrifigal supercharger. It's like a turbo that's spun off the engine. It's main disadvantage is that it has a peak operating speed, like a turbo, but since it's attached to the engine, it can't vary it's speed like a turbo.
What you get, depends what you want. I would say turbo, but putting together a good turbo system takes much more work and knowledge, but the potential is much greater.
There are really only two main kits that we're talking about here. Vortech and JR. The JR is a positive displacement supercharger. Boost is available from 1 RPM to 10k. It doesn't take any time create boost. It's perfect for low rpm torque. You cannot have a working BOV with the JRSC and Eaton Blower. The Vortech is a centrifigal supercharger. It's like a turbo that's spun off the engine. It's main disadvantage is that it has a peak operating speed, like a turbo, but since it's attached to the engine, it can't vary it's speed like a turbo.
What you get, depends what you want. I would say turbo, but putting together a good turbo system takes much more work and knowledge, but the potential is much greater.
24-Mar-2003, 03:00 PM
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Sorry, I'll go crawl in a hole now...
I didn't read all of it. I just saw a dude say that the JR will take bottom end away because it took power to drive it. Had to say something-you know?
Crap...I'm in a bad mood today too...
I didn't read all of it. I just saw a dude say that the JR will take bottom end away because it took power to drive it. Had to say something-you know?
Crap...I'm in a bad mood today too...
Luckily, with this weather, it's hard to feel down. My parade got rained on today, but I'm still chillin 
24-Mar-2003, 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by donesixer
Sorry, I'll go crawl in a hole now...
I didn't read all of it. I just saw a dude say that the JR will take bottom end away because it took power to drive it. Had to say something-you know?
Crap...I'm in a bad mood today too...
Sorry, I'll go crawl in a hole now...
I didn't read all of it. I just saw a dude say that the JR will take bottom end away because it took power to drive it. Had to say something-you know?
Crap...I'm in a bad mood today too...
we all have bad days.... nothing a drink can't fix
24-Mar-2003, 03:42 PM
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Dirtylude, how do you lke your turbo? What kind is it? I think that it is you that has the turbo equipped h22a am I correct?
I would go for a turbo since you can upgrade to bigger turbos to produce more power. I'm not sure if there is a bigger SC or if there is one size?
I would go for a turbo since you can upgrade to bigger turbos to produce more power. I'm not sure if there is a bigger SC or if there is one size?
24-Mar-2003, 04:16 PM
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Jacob, SCs can be upgraded too... M30, M45, etc or Novi 10 Novi 20, etc... they have different families and different sizes as well... just that turbos are more efficient by design that I like turbos better.
24-Mar-2003, 06:00 PM
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i didn't mean SC are a direct bolt on at all..sorry if it came out that way...i understand the mechanics behind it....i'm just wondering the most applicable one, turbo or SC...what about power gains and cost differences between the two set ups...
24-Mar-2003, 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
Jacob, SCs can be upgraded too... M30, M45, etc or Novi 10 Novi 20, etc... they have different families and different sizes as well... just that turbos are more efficient by design that I like turbos better.
Jacob, SCs can be upgraded too... M30, M45, etc or Novi 10 Novi 20, etc... they have different families and different sizes as well... just that turbos are more efficient by design that I like turbos better.
Technically you can upgrade a SC but not as you mention it (M30, M45....) Those are diffrent sizes in respect to engines. An M45 Eaton blower will fit on to a D16 while an M62 will fit on to a B16. You cannot put an M45 on to a B16.
The only way to upgrade a SC is by the pulley. Either replace the one on the nose of the SC or at the crank, the crank being the more easier and more popular one to do.
25-Mar-2003, 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by Jacob
Dirtylude, how do you lke your turbo? What kind is it? I think that it is you that has the turbo equipped h22a am I correct?
Dirtylude, how do you lke your turbo? What kind is it? I think that it is you that has the turbo equipped h22a am I correct?
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