Pre-Swap Research
08-Jul-2006, 02:46 PM
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Pre-Swap Research
I am currently doing a lot of reading and research on this, I know this question gets asked ALL the time, but what should I do for a budget swap? I have a z6 in my 95 eg. There is a bearing gone in my tranny, the engine will need a timing belt soon, not to mention it consumes (leaks) oil like a pig. To me, the most logical thing to do would be to swap, as all the parts and labour to fix those issues could almost get me a new swap.
Question would be, I would rather have a nice looking car (not rice) than an Uber performance car. As the saying goes you have to pay to play, so a GSR engine or H22 swap is out (unless I win the lottery sometime soon). What I saved on purchasing a lower end engine, I would rather spend on some nice accessories like rims, lowering, paint job, etc.
Would it be practical to swap in a D15B? B18B1, B2? I would prefer to buy from a well known and reputable establishment like Teknotik and have some sort of assurance that it is a quality engine. Having said that, I would be rather hesitant to purchase a used engine off this forum like a B16A2 (no disrespect) unless someone could suggest otherwise? I realise you are taking a chance either way, but I'd like to make an educated decision when dropping a couple grand.
Any insight into this matter would be great.
Thanks
Question would be, I would rather have a nice looking car (not rice) than an Uber performance car. As the saying goes you have to pay to play, so a GSR engine or H22 swap is out (unless I win the lottery sometime soon). What I saved on purchasing a lower end engine, I would rather spend on some nice accessories like rims, lowering, paint job, etc.
Would it be practical to swap in a D15B? B18B1, B2? I would prefer to buy from a well known and reputable establishment like Teknotik and have some sort of assurance that it is a quality engine. Having said that, I would be rather hesitant to purchase a used engine off this forum like a B16A2 (no disrespect) unless someone could suggest otherwise? I realise you are taking a chance either way, but I'd like to make an educated decision when dropping a couple grand.
Any insight into this matter would be great.
Thanks
08-Jul-2006, 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by SLOGAN
Excuse my ignorance, but what engine number would be an "LS"?
Excuse my ignorance, but what engine number would be an "LS"?
im just going off what you mean when you say you'd rather have a nice looking car than some performance machine..so im assuming right off the bat you take motor reliability as a serious issue..in which case i say dont bother putting a vtec head on anything and doing this and that..**** it
my suggestion is go to teknotik and get a d15b sohc vtec motor..and yeah they do act a bit different than the z6, in a good way.i bet itll cost you less than $1000, plus you get a warranty...on top of that its the easiest swap you can do.
08-Jul-2006, 08:15 PM
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b18b1 if you are a bit more flexible on budget than just 1 grand... good thing is... 1) run regular gas 2) lots of torque for a lil car (more displacement) 3) has potential in the future (boost, vtec head, some n/a success on H-T as well)
and that is not true that you shouldn't buy a used motor on this forum... just becareful who you buy it from... is that a reputable person on TCC, does that person get involve or does the seller just come here to sell... lastly, try to get someone who knows about motors to check it out with you.....
i've also notice one thing... KMs on a motor doesn't mean everything... a motor with 100-150k can run as mint as a motor declare 50-90k.. not that those 50-90k motors' mileage has been falsely told... its just that a perfect/well-maintained motor can still live longer and healthier than a motor with less KM but badly abused!
someone can have a motor with 60000km but he is a vtec *****... and he doesn't care about the motor... now that's a bad motor... open up the valve cover, check how dirty it is inside, it gives indication how it is maintained (like you would know if that person oil change frequently and does that guy use regular or synthetic oil), then check compression to see if there's any bad pistons/etc... leakdown test to see if the motor is leaking any oil (which can be some headache later)... there are simply just things to "check" out on a used motors, just asking about KMs isn't the full picture...
and that is not true that you shouldn't buy a used motor on this forum... just becareful who you buy it from... is that a reputable person on TCC, does that person get involve or does the seller just come here to sell... lastly, try to get someone who knows about motors to check it out with you.....
i've also notice one thing... KMs on a motor doesn't mean everything... a motor with 100-150k can run as mint as a motor declare 50-90k.. not that those 50-90k motors' mileage has been falsely told... its just that a perfect/well-maintained motor can still live longer and healthier than a motor with less KM but badly abused!
someone can have a motor with 60000km but he is a vtec *****... and he doesn't care about the motor... now that's a bad motor... open up the valve cover, check how dirty it is inside, it gives indication how it is maintained (like you would know if that person oil change frequently and does that guy use regular or synthetic oil), then check compression to see if there's any bad pistons/etc... leakdown test to see if the motor is leaking any oil (which can be some headache later)... there are simply just things to "check" out on a used motors, just asking about KMs isn't the full picture...
08-Jul-2006, 09:58 PM
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Yes, reliability is a huge thing for me, that's why I bought a Honda :P
I am leaning towards a B18B1, as it will give some more pep at a decent dollar.
How much can I expect to spend for one of these swaps?
I am leaning towards a B18B1, as it will give some more pep at a decent dollar.
How much can I expect to spend for one of these swaps?
09-Jul-2006, 01:47 AM
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try talking to teknotik for a b18b and see how much they quote you... installation should be 400-500 by most people... talk to goose****, scott_newman, scott-93hbsi, they are all good installers... teknotik does installation too i believe, but i dunno how much they charge...
if you're lucky you can spot a b18b around different boards going around 1400-1800, ranging from some missing parts to completeness... and depends on how well you bargain =)
and regarding the b20, its an absolutely amazing choice, but then unless you have enough knowledge and time... b20 takes a bit more knowledge over the b18... and you can't use the crv tranny hahah... so you probably need a gsr, ls or sir or typeR tranny...... and you want a hydraullic one since you're driving EG
if you're lucky you can spot a b18b around different boards going around 1400-1800, ranging from some missing parts to completeness... and depends on how well you bargain =)
and regarding the b20, its an absolutely amazing choice, but then unless you have enough knowledge and time... b20 takes a bit more knowledge over the b18... and you can't use the crv tranny hahah... so you probably need a gsr, ls or sir or typeR tranny...... and you want a hydraullic one since you're driving EG
09-Jul-2006, 02:27 PM
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Everybodies input has been really helpful so far, thanks.
Aside from a D15b swap, what would be the least expensive in terms of the actual labour?
What would installation run for a B20?
Aside from a D15b swap, what would be the least expensive in terms of the actual labour?
What would installation run for a B20?
09-Jul-2006, 07:44 PM
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if you go b-series you do HAVE! to buy
-motor
-tranny
-shift linkage
-engine mounts
-ecu
-and wire it all up.
+ more **** too i might be forgeting.
IMO if you want reliability i would just go d-series again as like the JDM D15B or something you wont have to pay an arm and a leg and its something you can do your self in your garage or a friends , especially if its a first time thing this is what i would do.
also with the money you do save from buying a cheaper motor you can go and buy other things to help the motor breath and perform a little better , and also would be easier to go and get that paint job and rims you want.
-motor
-tranny
-shift linkage
-engine mounts
-ecu
-and wire it all up.
+ more **** too i might be forgeting.
IMO if you want reliability i would just go d-series again as like the JDM D15B or something you wont have to pay an arm and a leg and its something you can do your self in your garage or a friends , especially if its a first time thing this is what i would do.
also with the money you do save from buying a cheaper motor you can go and buy other things to help the motor breath and perform a little better , and also would be easier to go and get that paint job and rims you want.
11-Jul-2006, 05:17 PM
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Hey, I don't mean to hijack this thread but I'm curious about engine swaps, too.
Since, I'm looking for a newer car (newer than '90 Civic), I was wondering about buying a used Civic or Integra and doing an engine swap. That way, I wouldn't mind the stock car having high kms, just as long as the body and overall condition was mint.
I would appreciate responses to this idea and/or links to the related threads or any info that would provide answers.
What does anyone think of this page?:
Honda Civic engine swap
I was interested in a GSR or Type-R engine swap depending on how much the Civic would cost.
I am currently looking just at stock Civics and Integras ('96-'01s). Civic Si-Rs and Integra GS'ers are from 10 grand to a bit more so a slightly older car with a swap might be had for under 11?
The problem I have is to discover whether it's even possible to do this if I plan on buying the car from a dealer and thus payments would be set up as follows:
1) downpayment
2) monthly payment
3) engine swap
The concern here is that I couldn't inform the dealer about the engine swap and I better make the payments and I'd have to *buy* the car ultimately.
Perhaps, I should just buy the best equipped Civic or Teg I can find and plan a swap later?
Comments?
Sorry to slightly go on a tangent...
EDIT: I just thought of something: there might be something in writing that the dealer gives out which states you are not to alter the car or that you must have it in original stock condition? Or is that only if you lease?
Since, I'm looking for a newer car (newer than '90 Civic), I was wondering about buying a used Civic or Integra and doing an engine swap. That way, I wouldn't mind the stock car having high kms, just as long as the body and overall condition was mint.
I would appreciate responses to this idea and/or links to the related threads or any info that would provide answers.
What does anyone think of this page?:
Honda Civic engine swap
I was interested in a GSR or Type-R engine swap depending on how much the Civic would cost.
I am currently looking just at stock Civics and Integras ('96-'01s). Civic Si-Rs and Integra GS'ers are from 10 grand to a bit more so a slightly older car with a swap might be had for under 11?
The problem I have is to discover whether it's even possible to do this if I plan on buying the car from a dealer and thus payments would be set up as follows:
1) downpayment
2) monthly payment
3) engine swap
The concern here is that I couldn't inform the dealer about the engine swap and I better make the payments and I'd have to *buy* the car ultimately.
Perhaps, I should just buy the best equipped Civic or Teg I can find and plan a swap later?
Comments?
Sorry to slightly go on a tangent...
EDIT: I just thought of something: there might be something in writing that the dealer gives out which states you are not to alter the car or that you must have it in original stock condition? Or is that only if you lease?
11-Jul-2006, 07:32 PM
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b20 motor complete head and block with no tranny is $750 from tokyo autoparts. im sure u can pick up a used ls tranny for about 300. b20 is great for the winter with all that torque. but it is a 2.0l as long as your not rev happy im sure u can get 600kms per 30Leters of gas.
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