I Need Performance Gains From My Gsr
29-May-2003, 05:22 PM
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I Need Performance Gains From My Gsr
im looking to spend around a grand on upgrades. what are the best upgrades/performance work that i can do to my car for a grand and under.. accumulatively i want to spend around a grand.. i want a bump like 30 horses or 10-15 lbs of torque, and im not a big fan of the nitrous system. any suggestions??
29-May-2003, 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by Jugglez
you won't get those gains for around a grand.. unless you run nitrous.
you won't get those gains for around a grand.. unless you run nitrous.
30-May-2003, 12:41 AM
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For $1000 (if buying new and nice)
DC header 500
CAI 350
Timing Bump - 94 Octane $$$
Head machined 100
Total 950
You could see 20HP max if the head is machined well and you bump the timing as much as possible with the header and CAI IMO of course.
DC header 500
CAI 350
Timing Bump - 94 Octane $$$
Head machined 100
Total 950
You could see 20HP max if the head is machined well and you bump the timing as much as possible with the header and CAI IMO of course.
30-May-2003, 08:33 AM
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No DC header - waste of money
CAI - waste of money if you have the stock GSR box
machining head for $100... what about buying a new head gasket, new bolts, new valve cover gasket set, new timing belt, new water pump... man, it'll be AT LEAST $500 in parts right there... PLUS the machine work
IMO, B16B cams, B16A2 head, B16A2 intake manifold, ported, polished, and matched. Or you can have this head worked on... but the B16A is a little better head. ITR 4-1 exh manifold. That's prolly more than $1000, but should net a realistic 15-20 hp. 25 if you have Leitner do the work
CAI - waste of money if you have the stock GSR box
machining head for $100... what about buying a new head gasket, new bolts, new valve cover gasket set, new timing belt, new water pump... man, it'll be AT LEAST $500 in parts right there... PLUS the machine work
IMO, B16B cams, B16A2 head, B16A2 intake manifold, ported, polished, and matched. Or you can have this head worked on... but the B16A is a little better head. ITR 4-1 exh manifold. That's prolly more than $1000, but should net a realistic 15-20 hp. 25 if you have Leitner do the work
30-May-2003, 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
No DC header - waste of money
CAI - waste of money if you have the stock GSR box
machining head for $100... what about buying a new head gasket, new bolts, new valve cover gasket set, new timing belt, new water pump... man, it'll be AT LEAST $500 in parts right there... PLUS the machine work
IMO, B16B cams, B16A2 head, B16A2 intake manifold, ported, polished, and matched. Or you can have this head worked on... but the B16A is a little better head. ITR 4-1 exh manifold. That's prolly more than $1000, but should net a realistic 15-20 hp. 25 if you have Leitner do the work
No DC header - waste of money
CAI - waste of money if you have the stock GSR box
machining head for $100... what about buying a new head gasket, new bolts, new valve cover gasket set, new timing belt, new water pump... man, it'll be AT LEAST $500 in parts right there... PLUS the machine work
IMO, B16B cams, B16A2 head, B16A2 intake manifold, ported, polished, and matched. Or you can have this head worked on... but the B16A is a little better head. ITR 4-1 exh manifold. That's prolly more than $1000, but should net a realistic 15-20 hp. 25 if you have Leitner do the work
2. Unless you have some dyno sheet backing this up... a CAI always yields gains of 3-5 peak HP no prob from stock.
3. Machining the head 1 mm still utilizes the same timing belt, I have done that a few times before. A headgasket may be required if yours is ****, you will not need anything else you mentioned at all! Waterpump = not necessary, valve cover gasket = not necessary, however new bolts may be needed I have seen them reused in many cases with no probs so maybe you wanna be safer.
So + 80 for the bolts and maybe 70?? for the headgasket? So 1100 total, wait for your next pay to get the extra $100.
IN FACT! It would be even cheaper to get a thinner headgasket thereby eliminating the need for machining the head so -100 haha right at $1000.
30-May-2003, 10:51 AM
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1. How is a DC header a waste of money? Any header for that matter? A good 5-8 peak HP can be had from them. Period.
2. Unless you have some dyno sheet backing this up... a CAI always yields gains of 3-5 peak HP no prob from stock.
I thought I/H/E weren't that great in increasing HP, CAI 3-5hp, I actually felt slower with one
2. Unless you have some dyno sheet backing this up... a CAI always yields gains of 3-5 peak HP no prob from stock.
I thought I/H/E weren't that great in increasing HP, CAI 3-5hp, I actually felt slower with one
30-May-2003, 10:58 AM
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TURBO, just look at your own sig, and try to tell me again you know how to build a fast Honda 
I will point out one thing to you... you keep saying "peak" this "peak" that. Well, take that peak and shove it in your ***... it does you NO GOOD!! I'm finished with this thread
I will point out one thing to you... you keep saying "peak" this "peak" that. Well, take that peak and shove it in your ***... it does you NO GOOD!! I'm finished with this thread
30-May-2003, 11:11 AM
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I would have a fast Honda but WLU likes to take my mod money NOT TO MENTION it is my winter beater. I help other friends with their cars whom are also in school so money is not a luxury. I have been to the dyno about 15 times and see gains of that nature all the time. You don't like it keep jerking off to your Nintendo games. I guess that is supposed to be you in the middle of those other smilies??
As far as peak is concerned I am not going to sit here and say 5 hp period. Just doesn't happen, everything is expressed in peak HP terms anyway, where have you been?
People who go to school with large debts who might like to have some fun reuse ****, if it works GREAT! If it don't then we buy the part.
SO your response contained nothing but insults and opinion based on knowing nothing about me. From what I can see you know your stuff but without any NUMBERS you cannot challenge my claims with opinion alone.
CYA ASSCLOWN
As far as peak is concerned I am not going to sit here and say 5 hp period. Just doesn't happen, everything is expressed in peak HP terms anyway, where have you been?
People who go to school with large debts who might like to have some fun reuse ****, if it works GREAT! If it don't then we buy the part.
SO your response contained nothing but insults and opinion based on knowing nothing about me. From what I can see you know your stuff but without any NUMBERS you cannot challenge my claims with opinion alone.
CYA ASSCLOWN
30-May-2003, 11:53 AM
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WLU... that explains why your an idiot. I went to U of Waterloo so I know your type Oh, and a winter beater usually means you have a second car... one that's faster and nicer. 
Do you? Everything is expressed in peak hp, b/c suckers like you look at that and drool over it, and spend your money on it. Now, if you did an actual comparo of all these parts on a dyno, you would know what I'm talking about. We did a test of 11 headers on a D16Z6 in a Del Sol... the Stillen made 2 hp more in the 5000+ rpm range... up to 5000 the OEM one made more. The rest were all worse than that. A 170 hp N/A D16Z6 here runs a stock air box and stock manifold... all the work on the motor is INSIDE the engine. Later 
30-May-2003, 01:52 PM
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hey why did this turn into a fight? who cares this thread is about me.. so both you ASSCLOWNS (just playing around) shut the F up..
lol
are there any benifits to chipping and obd-I and advancing the timming? (and by that i mean done at the same time) if there is gains what can i expect, and where can i get it done/how much does it cost.
lol
are there any benifits to chipping and obd-I and advancing the timming? (and by that i mean done at the same time) if there is gains what can i expect, and where can i get it done/how much does it cost.
31-May-2003, 08:33 AM
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under no circumstances do you reuse a head gasket. the moment it's been torqued down and then untorqued it becomes garbage.
anyways like i said you won't get anywhere near 30 hp with a $1000 budget unless you run nitrous (which is for girls anyways, so don't do it).
you guys can keep throwing out ideas all you wnat but it's just not gonna happen.
no you don't need to change the cam gears but adjustable cam gears would help in the tuning department. Leitner Performance can convert your stock ones to adjustable for $250, even less for paid members of the club
what year GSR motor is this? how's the kilometerage?
anyways like i said you won't get anywhere near 30 hp with a $1000 budget unless you run nitrous (which is for girls anyways, so don't do it).
you guys can keep throwing out ideas all you wnat but it's just not gonna happen. no you don't need to change the cam gears but adjustable cam gears would help in the tuning department. Leitner Performance can convert your stock ones to adjustable for $250, even less for paid members of the club
what year GSR motor is this? how's the kilometerage?
31-May-2003, 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Jugglez
under no circumstances do you reuse a head gasket. the moment it's been torqued down and then untorqued it becomes garbage.
anyways like i said you won't get anywhere near 30 hp with a $1000 budget unless you run nitrous (which is for girls anyways, so don't do it). you guys can keep throwing out ideas all you wnat but it's just not gonna happen.
no you don't need to change the cam gears but adjustable cam gears would help in the tuning department. Leitner Performance can convert your stock ones to adjustable for $250, even less for paid members of the club
what year GSR motor is this? how's the kilometerage?
under no circumstances do you reuse a head gasket. the moment it's been torqued down and then untorqued it becomes garbage.
anyways like i said you won't get anywhere near 30 hp with a $1000 budget unless you run nitrous (which is for girls anyways, so don't do it).
you guys can keep throwing out ideas all you wnat but it's just not gonna happen. no you don't need to change the cam gears but adjustable cam gears would help in the tuning department. Leitner Performance can convert your stock ones to adjustable for $250, even less for paid members of the club
what year GSR motor is this? how's the kilometerage?
) Peak hp will be nice on a dyno sheet, it will be nice on a drag strip where you're redlining every gear, but what good would peak hp be when it's a daily driven car? He obviously didn't specify what his application is, but it sounds to me that this is used for a daily driven car (like most people are on this board).
With power being made at only 9000rpm what use is that? That's like driving with vtec killers everyday
Anyways, save up is your best option, save up like at least another $1000 I say if not another $2000 ontop of your $1000, at least then you'll have more options
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