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Old 02-May-2005, 02:01 PM
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h vs. b- weight

So I am sitting here tonight looking around HT and talking in PM to people about my built H22 I just posted into FI and Prelude... and I come across yet another B VS H arguement... and people start talking about all this weight BS again... the H series I hear rumours of anywhere from 85-125lb heavier then a B swap.
Here are some pics to let everyone with a B loose one of their points. (Not that I am against the B... the B is the ****... but I love the H as well and I have a H and I am tired of the weight argument)
I own a shop, and at the moment we are building several motors. So here I bring you some good ****.
All 3 Blocks are built with stock crank, forged rods, forged pistons, and iron sleeves done by benson (H22, D16) and darton (B16). I have a bensen'd B16 here as well but its already made the voyage to the engine stand so its not getting weighed. The only thing that is not fair in these pics is that the D has the oil pan on it... wasnt gonna take it off just for this BS.
H = 123lb short block
B = 104lb short block
D = 100lb short block + oil pan
So with totaly fair comparisons... the H is 19lb heavier in the short block.
NOW lets move on... the big word that I always hear is that its the H TRANS IS SOOOO HEAVY!!! Lets take a little peak here...
H trans = 96lb
B trans = 90lb
OK.. thats 6 lb... so we have a 25lb weight increase so far with the H22.
I will post here within a day or two as I weigh the assembled cylinder heads, as the H head is definatly heavier... but I would guess 10 lb heavier.
As for the rest of the crap... who cares. Intake manifolds are light for any motor and come in different flavors, same with headers and all that BS. Accessories are up to the owner of the car. Everything else hardly applies... flywheels are up to the user, axles, clutch, aluminum or steel oilpans, etc etc all this **** is up to the owner of the car so that crap doesnt need to be part of the comparison.
So what it comes down to is unless that H head is REALLY that much heavier... we are talking about
35 LB INCREASE!! Thats about how much weight off my *** I need to loose so I would be a hypocrite to be hard on the H.
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ok thats cool... (never seen data posted like that before but as we all know I like the stock engine and so have never gone looking for it)

anyways what I'd liek to see is a stock civic (don't care the year or model type just everything stock) and see it wieghed on corner weight scales... (for a baseline) then the same thing doen with a H22 in there and then with a B series engine in there.

I'm sure the trend will be moving of wieght forward from stock to B and then to H. I'd like to see how much wieght is moved forward over the front wheels. I'm sure it'll be more then 35 pounds between the B and H series. (but thats 1 just my prediction and 2 just a guess)

so if you can get 2 stock cars of the same trim and model set up with a B and H series in each of them I'll arrange for scales
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I found this info on the web - it was a good website- the guy showed pics and everything.

I think the weight distribution is different in an h

if you weigh an h vs a b series car - i dont think there will be much difference.- it will all depend on the parts you put in other then the engine.
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that's when the block is drained of all the fluids though right? those numbers are the weight of the bare block alone? doesn't it make a bigger difference with all the fluids in it given that the H is bigger?
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its not so much the weight but the orientation of the engine and trans in the car.
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
its not so much the weight but the orientation of the engine and trans in the car.
yup, thats what I have heard....
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It's the tilt at which the engine is installed
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there are so many things that people say about the B and the H, i dont' even know where to start, there have been plenty of threads
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if ur suspension is done right, you can hold the 2.2 no problem!
its basically suspension!

if u want to DRAG Race or anything like that, id definately pick the H22 just bc of the power and the added weight in the front!

but hey road course. with the proper suspension u can get that puppy going too! my buddy in Rockford Illinois has a JDM H22A and he loves it in his EG hatch, the only thing is, the car has so much power it snaps his axles! and he's gone through 3

basically its setting ur car to suit your needs and the motor!
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i only weigh 120 lb so unless im raceing an anorexik chick a different motor with 22lb or 40lb difference wooow im my own weight reduction kit



it makes me laugh wen this 200lb guy is geting a weight reduction done 2 his car wtf im 100lb lighter in a stock car guy save ya money go visit jenny kraig or sumin
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Originally posted by doggy69247
i only weigh 120 lb so unless im raceing an anorexik chick a different motor with 22lb or 40lb difference wooow im my own weight reduction kit



it makes me laugh wen this 200lb guy is geting a weight reduction done 2 his car wtf im 100lb lighter in a stock car guy save ya money go visit jenny kraig or sumin
Some people don't wan't to loose weight. I weigh 190-195 and I'll bet you I have a lower body fat percentage than you. Muscle weighs more than fat, don't assume because someone's 200+lbs that they're fat.
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my **** weighs more then 120lbs
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Old 04-May-2005, 08:29 PM
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no i understand that some people are 200lb and not fat


i can guarantee u dont have less boddy fat than me guy '


im 6 ft tall and 120 soking wet and im pety muskular i have never been 2 a gym and had that thing done but i should

il go and get it done ans let u know hehee the eletrik wil go through me in a milliseckond i have friends that are boddy builders i know what u are saying

i just saw this fat bastard big *** gut hanging ovet his jeens at a performance shop asking about weight reduktion i was sniggering in the corner
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u must have a big ******* 2 have a 120lb **** i duno what u have been sticking in there jk
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6ft and 120lbs?

You must have VERY SKINNY BONES...otherwise your a twig
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TWIG but muscular!

p.s i didnt say my **** is big as you!
i said it weighs as much as you!

HAHA
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hahha its not twig its streamline
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non vtec SOHC..... nothing compares
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Originally posted by VikJae
non vtec SOHC..... nothing compares
Sure there is, my lawnmower!
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