Social concerns! - need help
05-Oct-2007, 12:13 AM
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I couldn't agree with you more.
05-Oct-2007, 08:35 AM
#44
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but it's not. get over it.
one is a perversion and an indicator of serious mental illness, the other is a medical procedure for the benefit of many people.
i really wonder how you'd change your tune if your .... ohhhh I dunno, say your wife found out she had liver cancer and needed a transplant.
one is a perversion and an indicator of serious mental illness, the other is a medical procedure for the benefit of many people.
i really wonder how you'd change your tune if your .... ohhhh I dunno, say your wife found out she had liver cancer and needed a transplant.
im pretty sure it is.
and if my wife needed a transplant I'd still be alive to give it to her, that's a completely different story. You're talking about taking my organs without my permission when I die. I can do whatever "I" want when "I" give my own permission while I'm alive.
05-Oct-2007, 09:47 AM
#45
Are you an organ donor? NO.
If not, would you consider being an organ donor? Sure.
If not again, then why would you not consider being an organ donor? religious reasons, don't wanna think about your mortality, don't know how to become a donor, don't see the value of being a donor, or other (please specify)? Pretty much all my organs are messed up anyways.. so why would they want them??
Would a financial incentive of say $100 influence you to become a donor? (ie. signing up to be a donor would give you $100) I'll do anything for a 100 bucks.
Would an annual cost associated with your tax return for example influence you to become a donor? (ie. NOT being a donor would COST you money - say $100 - every year) I think thats stupid.
Would you be opposed to organ donations becoming mandatory and universal for all persons in Ontario who have a health card? If so, why are you opposed? (religious, rights to body, etc?) stupid too.
If not, would you consider being an organ donor? Sure.
If not again, then why would you not consider being an organ donor? religious reasons, don't wanna think about your mortality, don't know how to become a donor, don't see the value of being a donor, or other (please specify)? Pretty much all my organs are messed up anyways.. so why would they want them??
Would a financial incentive of say $100 influence you to become a donor? (ie. signing up to be a donor would give you $100) I'll do anything for a 100 bucks.
Would an annual cost associated with your tax return for example influence you to become a donor? (ie. NOT being a donor would COST you money - say $100 - every year) I think thats stupid.
Would you be opposed to organ donations becoming mandatory and universal for all persons in Ontario who have a health card? If so, why are you opposed? (religious, rights to body, etc?) stupid too.
05-Oct-2007, 01:02 PM
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it's not illegal to have sex with a dead corpse?
im pretty sure it is.
and if my wife needed a transplant I'd still be alive to give it to her, that's a completely different story. You're talking about taking my organs without my permission when I die. I can do whatever "I" want when "I" give my own permission while I'm alive.
im pretty sure it is.
and if my wife needed a transplant I'd still be alive to give it to her, that's a completely different story. You're talking about taking my organs without my permission when I die. I can do whatever "I" want when "I" give my own permission while I'm alive.
let's assume for a second that your wife needs an organ of which you only have one, and in addition, you and no one close enough to you is a match for the donation. she NEEDS the organ of a stranger. at the same time, you're walking by a hospital. inside the hospital is a person who's just went DCD from a gunshot wound. he's pronounced dead and is a perfect match for your wife. he is not an organ donor and there is no presumed consent (as is the case in the current system). He's dead and has a perfectly good organ and is a perfect match to your wife. but.... he's not an organ donor. too bad for your dying wife who could be saved.
05-Oct-2007, 01:46 PM
#48
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it's illegal in SOME places to have sex with a dead body. more so because it's an indicator of mental illness than anything else. but we're talking about a medical procedure here. are you saying all gynocologists are rapists and anyone giving you a prostate exam is a sodomist?
let's assume for a second that your wife needs an organ of which you only have one, and in addition, you and no one close enough to you is a match for the donation. she NEEDS the organ of a stranger. at the same time, you're walking by a hospital. inside the hospital is a person who's just went DCD from a gunshot wound. he's pronounced dead and is a perfect match for your wife. he is not an organ donor and there is no presumed consent (as is the case in the current system). He's dead and has a perfectly good organ and is a perfect match to your wife. but.... he's not an organ donor. too bad for your dying wife who could be saved.
let's assume for a second that your wife needs an organ of which you only have one, and in addition, you and no one close enough to you is a match for the donation. she NEEDS the organ of a stranger. at the same time, you're walking by a hospital. inside the hospital is a person who's just went DCD from a gunshot wound. he's pronounced dead and is a perfect match for your wife. he is not an organ donor and there is no presumed consent (as is the case in the current system). He's dead and has a perfectly good organ and is a perfect match to your wife. but.... he's not an organ donor. too bad for your dying wife who could be saved.
I'm not sure why you keep trying to convince me.
05-Oct-2007, 01:48 PM
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it's illegal in SOME places to have sex with a dead body. more so because it's an indicator of mental illness than anything else. but we're talking about a medical procedure here. are you saying all gynocologists are rapists and anyone giving you a prostate exam is a sodomist?
let's assume for a second that your wife needs an organ of which you only have one, and in addition, you and no one close enough to you is a match for the donation. she NEEDS the organ of a stranger. at the same time, you're walking by a hospital. inside the hospital is a person who's just went DCD from a gunshot wound. he's pronounced dead and is a perfect match for your wife. he is not an organ donor and there is no presumed consent (as is the case in the current system). He's dead and has a perfectly good organ and is a perfect match to your wife. but.... he's not an organ donor. too bad for your dying wife who could be saved.
let's assume for a second that your wife needs an organ of which you only have one, and in addition, you and no one close enough to you is a match for the donation. she NEEDS the organ of a stranger. at the same time, you're walking by a hospital. inside the hospital is a person who's just went DCD from a gunshot wound. he's pronounced dead and is a perfect match for your wife. he is not an organ donor and there is no presumed consent (as is the case in the current system). He's dead and has a perfectly good organ and is a perfect match to your wife. but.... he's not an organ donor. too bad for your dying wife who could be saved.
Medical procedure or not, I believe in giving respect to the dead, that's my point. And if it wasn't their will to have their body chopped up and organs removed before being tossed 6 feet under, then noone should have the right to do so.
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06-Oct-2007, 05:27 PM
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only reason I'm trying to convince you is cuz I want your organs. 
hahaha j/k I wanna see what it would take to convince someone like yourself cuz you seem to be fairly intelligent and your views aren't that far off from the general population. my project is to present a solution to the low donation rates, something that will improve organ donation and be feasible to implement. I don't wanna take the approach of raising awareness and other bull**** like that since I'm sure that angle has been done in previous years for this project, I want to propose a real solution that would have a significant impact on these rates. And I just don't think that can be accomplished with just raising awareness etc. I think it needs to be a general change in how organ donations are viewed overall by the population. My decision so far, I'm leaning towards the presumed donation unless stated otherwise, since that would give people the option to refuse by carrying a 'do not donate' card, but I think that would also need to be tied in with no eligibility to receive donations either. It would also put the onus on people to take those things seriously, as opposed to now where not carrying the "i'm a donor" card really has no consequences.
hahaha j/k I wanna see what it would take to convince someone like yourself cuz you seem to be fairly intelligent and your views aren't that far off from the general population. my project is to present a solution to the low donation rates, something that will improve organ donation and be feasible to implement. I don't wanna take the approach of raising awareness and other bull**** like that since I'm sure that angle has been done in previous years for this project, I want to propose a real solution that would have a significant impact on these rates. And I just don't think that can be accomplished with just raising awareness etc. I think it needs to be a general change in how organ donations are viewed overall by the population. My decision so far, I'm leaning towards the presumed donation unless stated otherwise, since that would give people the option to refuse by carrying a 'do not donate' card, but I think that would also need to be tied in with no eligibility to receive donations either. It would also put the onus on people to take those things seriously, as opposed to now where not carrying the "i'm a donor" card really has no consequences.
10-Oct-2007, 01:21 AM
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10-Oct-2007, 01:26 AM
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only reason I'm trying to convince you is cuz I want your organs. hahaha j/k I wanna see what it would take to convince someone like yourself cuz you seem to be fairly intelligent and your views aren't that far off from the general population. my project is to present a solution to the low donation rates, something that will improve organ donation and be feasible to implement. I don't wanna take the approach of raising awareness and other bull**** like that since I'm sure that angle has been done in previous years for this project, I want to propose a real solution that would have a significant impact on these rates. And I just don't think that can be accomplished with just raising awareness etc. I think it needs to be a general change in how organ donations are viewed overall by the population. My decision so far, I'm leaning towards the presumed donation unless stated otherwise, since that would give people the option to refuse by carrying a 'do not donate' card, but I think that would also need to be tied in with no eligibility to receive donations either. It would also put the onus on people to take those things seriously, as opposed to now where not carrying the "i'm a donor" card really has no consequences.
hahaha j/k I wanna see what it would take to convince someone like yourself cuz you seem to be fairly intelligent and your views aren't that far off from the general population. my project is to present a solution to the low donation rates, something that will improve organ donation and be feasible to implement. I don't wanna take the approach of raising awareness and other bull**** like that since I'm sure that angle has been done in previous years for this project, I want to propose a real solution that would have a significant impact on these rates. And I just don't think that can be accomplished with just raising awareness etc. I think it needs to be a general change in how organ donations are viewed overall by the population. My decision so far, I'm leaning towards the presumed donation unless stated otherwise, since that would give people the option to refuse by carrying a 'do not donate' card, but I think that would also need to be tied in with no eligibility to receive donations either. It would also put the onus on people to take those things seriously, as opposed to now where not carrying the "i'm a donor" card really has no consequences.Look into the france system... in France you are a donor unless you specifically state you don't wish to be one.
10-Oct-2007, 08:16 AM
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Are you an organ donor?
No
If not, would you consider being an organ donor?
No
If not again, then why would you not consider being an organ donor?
religious reasons, don't wanna think about your mortality, don't know how to become a donor, don't see the value of being a donor, or other (please specify)?
My body parts are too good for anyone else.
Would a financial incentive of say $100 influence you to become a donor? (ie. signing up to be a donor would give you $100)
$100? I can get more on the black market.
Would an annual cost associated with your tax return for example influence you to become a donor? (ie. NOT being a donor would COST you money - say $100 - every year)
**** the Liberals.
Would you be opposed to organ donations becoming mandatory and universal for all persons in Ontario who have a health card? If so, why are you opposed? (religious, rights to body, etc?)
Change of heart, i'd donate my manhood and army so there would be more Steve's for everyone to enjoy.
No
If not, would you consider being an organ donor?
No
If not again, then why would you not consider being an organ donor?
religious reasons, don't wanna think about your mortality, don't know how to become a donor, don't see the value of being a donor, or other (please specify)?
My body parts are too good for anyone else.
Would a financial incentive of say $100 influence you to become a donor? (ie. signing up to be a donor would give you $100)
$100? I can get more on the black market.
Would an annual cost associated with your tax return for example influence you to become a donor? (ie. NOT being a donor would COST you money - say $100 - every year)
**** the Liberals.
Would you be opposed to organ donations becoming mandatory and universal for all persons in Ontario who have a health card? If so, why are you opposed? (religious, rights to body, etc?)
Change of heart, i'd donate my manhood and army so there would be more Steve's for everyone to enjoy.
10-Oct-2007, 06:26 PM
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see this is the naive thinking I was worried about. the proposal isn't to BUY your organs for $100. the idea is you are DONATING your organs still... the $100 is just incentive for you to go and register yourself as a donor. So you get $100 for like 20 minutes of work, something that if you are a potential donor (like you have no moral qualms about donating organs) it's just a reason for you to go sign up. so it's a signing bonus, it's NOT a purchase of your organs.
10-Oct-2007, 10:57 PM
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see this is the naive thinking I was worried about. the proposal isn't to BUY your organs for $100. the idea is you are DONATING your organs still... the $100 is just incentive for you to go and register yourself as a donor. So you get $100 for like 20 minutes of work, something that if you are a potential donor (like you have no moral qualms about donating organs) it's just a reason for you to go sign up. so it's a signing bonus, it's NOT a purchase of your organs.
It said that when payment for blood donation was removed and changed to a trivial gift (ie. a sticker) donations actually went up. The reason being that people do think of it as their blood being bought for $15. And they think, "Wow, that is so not worth it". Yet when it is basically donated for free, the reward of knowing you are helping someone becomes the focus of attention and that is judged as worth it.
So I think the $100 would be viewed in a similar way. Someone would look at the card and say, "$100!? That's nothing!" Focusing on the grossly inadequate financial compensation rather than the much more valuable non-monetary compensation. IMO, Giving such a petty amount focuses attention on the wrong incentive for the action.
11-Oct-2007, 02:07 PM
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Are you an organ donor?
No
If not, would you consider being an organ donor?
No
If not again, then why would you not consider being an organ donor? religious reasons, don't wanna think about your mortality, don't know how to become a donor, don't see the value of being a donor, or other (please specify)?
I don't wanna think about mortality.
Would a financial incentive of say $100 influence you to become a donor? (ie. signing up to be a donor would give you $100)
No. The only way I would donate an organ is if a family member needed it.
Would an annual cost associated with your tax return for example influence you to become a donor? (ie. NOT being a donor would COST you money - say $100 - every year)
No
Would you be opposed to organ donations becoming mandatory and universal for all persons in Ontario who have a health card? If so, why are you opposed? (religious, rights to body, etc?)
Yes! It's my body and I don't see why anyone would make me donate anything if I don't want to.
No
If not, would you consider being an organ donor?
No
If not again, then why would you not consider being an organ donor? religious reasons, don't wanna think about your mortality, don't know how to become a donor, don't see the value of being a donor, or other (please specify)?
I don't wanna think about mortality.
Would a financial incentive of say $100 influence you to become a donor? (ie. signing up to be a donor would give you $100)
No. The only way I would donate an organ is if a family member needed it.
Would an annual cost associated with your tax return for example influence you to become a donor? (ie. NOT being a donor would COST you money - say $100 - every year)
No
Would you be opposed to organ donations becoming mandatory and universal for all persons in Ontario who have a health card? If so, why are you opposed? (religious, rights to body, etc?)
Yes! It's my body and I don't see why anyone would make me donate anything if I don't want to.
