kingjames1983

I'm an organ donor when I die... as for the $100 it would be to receive but I am still going to donate them anyways because I will have no use for them!

szuberi

does signing up as an organ donor means they can take any organ out of your body or you can specifiy?

cibs

Hmmm that's a good question..

i thikn it's a blanket donation so you donate it all..

bbarbulo

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aiight I'm gonna try to answer some questions here for the uninformed.

there are two ways to harves organs, from ppl who are brain dead (ie. on life support) and are being kept alive ONLY by mechanical means. if the equipment wasn't hooked up, you WOULD BE DEAD. in other words if you weren't at the hospital you would be dead. these are the primary sources of organ donations.

the secondary source of organ donation, since the first is such a small number compared to the ppl who need organs, is people 5 minutes into DCD death, that is cardiac failure. your heart stops, you are pronounced dead, then they can harvest organs from the deceased person.

now... yes china does use it's prison population as organ donors. those who are executed are organ donors. this has been abolished in 2006 I think... recently anyways.

the idea of the $100 incentive is that right now you don't get ****, so you really have no reason to sign the donor card even if your moral reasons don't prevent you from signing it, whereas if you were offered $100 in my mind people who don't really have any moral objections would say... ****, why not? Same idea behind the tax thing.

let's make something clear... when you're dead, you're dead. you don't need your organs. they're just gonna rot in the ground. why not help someone who may be worth something (rather than thinking about how your organs might end up in someone bad)?

I also agree with gatherer, I think people who aren't donors shouldn't benefit from organ donations.

As for making it mandatory... it's not illegal. Dead bodies have no rights, examples of this would be autopsies for examle. Autopsies are mandatory in some cases and the family can not refuse it. And when your organs are harvested, there is no question that you're just a corpse at that point. Fresh corpse, but a corpse nontheless. Also, making EVERYONE a donor would actually remove the incentive for what I refer to 'bad doctor syndrome'. In other words, since everyone is a donor, there would really be no incentive to not help one person over another. Everyone is worth the same, since everyone is a donor. Also, the organs would stay in the country, they could not be shipped to somewhere else in the world. There would also be strict criminal penalties (prolly life inprisonment w/o the possibility of parole) for doctors who violate the policy. Finally, there would be no financial incentive... the organs are 'donated', therefore there would be no financial transaction associated with the organs. There would be no cost to OHIP or the hospital or anything like that. It would just be like normal surgery time as far as the hospital is concerned. Oh and one more thing, each death would be inventoried and organs tracked, anything removed for transplant would be catalogued and strictly controled by a panel of 10 appointed individuals who would rotate annually and on random assignment to hospitals. That way no single doctor would be able to develop a close enough relationship to the audit team to be able to sneak organs out of the country for profit.

Also, think.... taxes are not optional. You don't get to CHOOSE to pay tax. by the same token you don't get to choose whether to be a donor or not. and for your information, there are a number of countries, including spain and sweeden who implement the mandatory organ donation system. It's not illegal.

shlammed

mandatory organ donation can kiss my ***

shlammed

what is your religion?

If you're Christian, I don't think any type of Christians are against donating organs.

bbarbulo

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you say that, just like ppl bitching and whining about the 150 kph law and suspended licenses. if it was implemented, you'd bitch and complain for a week, then you'd just move on and forget about it. and then I'd come harvest your organs while you were sleeping. LOL

Shazza

yes i am. hmmmm...maybe it was something else i was thinking about. well, in that case, sure, i'll be an organ donor. it's not that i'm against saving someone's life. i'm just really against ppl telling me what i can or cannot do. my body, my choice. if it's not mandatory, then i have a choice...and that's exactly what it's about...MY choice. if we start taking one type of choice away, then where does it stop? ppl like to have choices and freedoms...if ppl have a choice regardless of whether there is an incentive or not, they will be more willing to lend a helping hand and do it with pleasure...as opposed to forcing ppl...and who knows what that can lead to.

bbarbulo

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ok shazza, the problem is that's the system we're currently using, voluntary donations.... and the **** doesn't work. the stats are like 6 per million population for organ donors (don't ask, I can't tell how they came to these statistics)... but it shows you how low the number really is.... SIX people in one million!!

and since dead bodies don't have the cranial capacity to make the decision to dontate or not... IMO it should be mandatory. cuz like you don't know who your match is... so if you needed an organ, you can't go stab a bunch of ppl and hope one of them is gonna be a match... right? so it really wouldn't affect anyone as long as you were alive and well.... it's only if you were dead, and harvesting was possible, that your organs would be used for the greater good. and then transplants would prolly get more medical research done cuz it would actually make a difference overall, and our knowledege would grow and we could perhaps use more 'deader' organs (like from people who have been dead longer)...

the alternative is presumed donor, unless you carry a DO NOT DONATE card (but then you run the risk of lowered quality of care in a hospital cuz maybe ppl would say... **** this guy, he's an ******* I don't wanna help him cuz he doesn't wanna help others)

Shazza

i hear you and i understand what you're saying. the problem is...ppl are lazy. same reason why a lot of ppl don't vote. shear laziness. OR maybe there should be more publicity about organ donation out there for ppl who just dont know...have them more accessible or available...b/c honestly, in my almost 30 years of life...i have yet to physically see one of these cards. now that's sad. that doesn't excuse laziness, but where's the awareness?

bbarbulo

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^^ and exactly for that reason I said the $100 incentive to sign up, cuz I would think ppl w/o moral objections would say **** for $100 I'll go take 20 minutes and get a card from the ministry of transportation. the cards FYI are usually included whenever you update your license or renew it. the cards are kinda ghay and I think a lot of ppl don't take them seriously. but as some ppl suggested here, $100 incentive isn't enough to make them give it more consideration. and I think the ignorance displayed by those ppl here would be pretty representative of the general population... so ultimately I think making everyone donors or maybe implementing presumed donorship would be the right way to go.

Shazza

i would not call it ignorance. we're not ignorant about the benefits of organ donation.

it was the way it was worded or implied...seemed as though "your organs are worth $100". to heck they're not!

if it is for "religious" reasons, then i firmly believe that ppl have the right to exercise that belief.

bbarbulo

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sorry, didn't mean ignorance about the benefits. I was saying ignorance about what the $100 is supposed to do. cuz right now, no one has any reason at all to sign the donor card, regardless of their views. and I think if it was like $100 'reward' more people would maybe seek out access to the donor cards... at least the people who really have no objection to the idea of donating organs. it's not like you're selling your organs... the idea is it's your immediate reward for being a good samaritan even in death.

as for religious views, practice whatever religion you want in life. as long as you have thought processes in your head, you should absolutely have right of choice. in my opinion, once the physical aspect of life has left you, you no longer have the capacity to make any choice. therefore your religious views no longer matter. your soul has gone to heaven or hell, and you've left behind this empty shell that someone is gonna pay thousands and thousands of dollars to dispose of. so why not let the living derive benefit from it?

personally, I'm an organ donor, and I've also signed my corpse over to science for med students to learn on. so if my organs can't be used, at least some med students can practice on it for the benefit of future medicine. as far as I'm concerned, I don't need no fancy funeral... they can just dispose of me as they see fit.

Shazza

speaking of corpses and med skool. i was in the basement of the medical sciences building at uoft yesterday to hand in my thesis to one of my committee members...and i saw med skool students finishing up in one of the rooms and there were obviously corpses lying in there (already covered up) and the kids were just shooting the ish and u could smell the preservative and i wanted to barf. it really is like it's nothing to them. btw, they're sooooooooo young. so young. they look like they're supposed to be in highskool.

bbarbulo

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^^ haha it's not that they're young. we're old for some reason kids look a lot younger after you hit like 24. but yeah corpses are just corpses, not 'expired people'. you can't think of them as people anymore. they're just masses of rotting meat.

shlammed

actually id probably leave the country

shlammed

if its illegal to have sex with a dead body then it sure as hell should be illegal to take their organs out with permission

Shazza

ah touche.

bbarbulo

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that's unlikey, but go ahead. no one is gonna stop you. but the logic there escapes me... the fact you'd pack up your life and move elsewhere because there is a small chance that you'll die and someone might take your organs. so you're punishing yourself now, for something that might happen in the future with a probablility of like 0.0000000001%

now I say punishing yourself, because if this wasn't the optimal place for you to live now, then you would have moved already. but moving because of this organ donor thing means you would relocate yourself to a sub-optimal location only because of this small probability.

bbarbulo

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but it's not. get over it.

one is a perversion and an indicator of serious mental illness, the other is a medical procedure for the benefit of many people.

i really wonder how you'd change your tune if your .... ohhhh I dunno, say your wife found out she had liver cancer and needed a transplant.