szuberi

i see that clearly

your earlier statements prove otherwise....

and to top it all off...you also said YOU BELIEVE IN GOD youself..i dont get it. and you are still quoting my 'go to hell' statement...i thought you were over it.....didnt you say this.

after all of this...you guys have not come up with a single concrete argument for the sake of discussion. instead this thread has to shyt....all of us have been carried away including myself but i believe i did try to provide logical explanation cuz i CAN explain everything i believe to be true. it would have been better if you have supported your beliefs with some logic...you instead were saying Bruce is a blessing...go figure.

i am still open for a debate provided you stop throwing punches, swearing at others and confronting. lets have a clean and clear debate where you answer my questions and i answer yours.....but i guess it looks unlikely.

ForSale

im not trying to argue with anyone, I know God is beside me 24/7 and I don't need to be ANYTHING, or be precise either, to feel accepted or what others think about my inconsistency, im only human, and I make typing errors and my inconsistency is not what you think it is, its me trying to get my point through thick skulls with different examples, to their level of understandings.

all I care about is my family and me, the rest can go fk themselves, because no matter what happens, I could turn 80 years old, and keep replying to this thread and no one will see the bigger picture, other then coming back with ish like what you just said, be consistent, or someone else says check your spellings, or if anyone does debate they always come back with the same ish, why do religious people act like terrorists and swear and all, that’s trying to show that we are different from them just because we believe in God, so whose judging who.

To be evil you don't have to be violent, THE FACE OF EVIL HAS ALWAYS BEEN KIND AND ALLURING, THE PASSIONATE EYE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AGRESSIVE.

I don't have inconsistencies in what I believe, I know what I am, why I am here, who I am going to be, and how im going to get there, that’s consistent enough for me.

LEITNER

i am having fun. i dont take any of this serious. i side with bruce because i like his style i guess...

if you have taken offense to my statements.....get a life, its the friggin internet.

ForSale

^^^ okay buddy, that’s how people who lose talk.lol jks

now you are trying to say you don't take anything on the net seriously, I was sure of that before, because that’s what most people claim, but what’s the difference between the net and in person, the people talking are the same, so by your comparison, you are saying people act like pussies in person and big dicks on the net?

I don't know about other people, but im pretty much the same as I am on the net and in person, although emotions are missing like if im joking or serious its hard to tell I’ll give you that, but in general, I would discuss such topics in person too, and most of the times I don't because I know people can't handle it, but you should know this doesn’t make me a freak or weird or a punk, if this was in person, id definitely show proof.

I work in a job with good salary, and hot women employees, im still young I attend uni, I have many friends, in fact friends in all parts of the world, I have traveled and lived in many countries, I have had hot girl friends, and blah blah, what im trying to say is im probably more normal then you think, but knowing and thinking of such things has not made me a loner, freak or a punk either, you get my point.

Human capabilities are way beyond our imagination, so we don't have to worry about being retarded for thinking outside the box.

As far as I care you all can think what you want, im just saying what I know and have seen to discuss, why do people have to promote that they think the person is stupid for saying what they are because they don’t believe what he/she is saying, WHO the fk told you to believe it’s the other persons point of view, and life moves on to tomorrow by thinking outside the box and questioning tomorrow the past and using the present to conclude its effects.

So some advice for most of you, when someone else says something way outside your thinking domain, take it as just entertainment or knowledge, because you never know when some of it may come true, or help to discover what you were trying to decipher.

DumbasSi

These religious and political threads will be the end of me. I think I just might start closing them all.

LEITNER

ok here it goes...your posts are too long and i cant be bothered reading them.
half the time you dont make sense, to me anyhow. i think your view of God is warped...but thats from a christian view point (which i had been for 20 years, and i have read and studied the word of God) and i dont know if you are "christian" so maybe thats why. God is love...thats one of the reasons He loves bruce fee, another is bruce (and all of us for that matter) are created in His image. just because we dont believe doesnt mean He hates us because God is not capable of hate...not once in the bible does it say God hated someone. and dont say bruce goes off and insults God so you have to stand up for God...do you really think He is worried about bruces comments? i guess it upsets me to see people who believe in God arguing with someone who doesnt and really showing no restrain, no compassion, no tolerance, no love. do you think anyone would even consider following God based off your conduct on this board (or mine for that matter)? your witness is all you have to show what God is like and when you bitch and bicker and swear and threaten thats what people think God and His followers are like.

but again thats my opinion. and the way i am on this board is nothing like meeting me in person, ask those on here who have met me.

bruce fee

Leitner in real life actually killed and ate my puppy when I met him at a meet.

That's why I assumed he was really one of those atheists.

The he asked for forgiveness, so I knew he was not.

ForSale

dude i get your point, and i come from a mixed back ground, i.e i have italian,canadian,american,arab, turk, in my current range of family, as in first cousins and parents brothers and sisters who are married to different races, so i grew up with many cultures, and we all get along well, thats why i took it upon my self to study most religions, and im still learning everyday, my perception of God comes from personal experiance, and what i have seen common in those different religions and seeing common trends of what is God really, but you are right, he dosent teach hate, and im not hating on bruce or you, but i do get upset when someone losely even jokes about God in a certain way, and i don't practice a specific religion either.

but God says you should respect you parents, so does that mean we should only respect our parents and not God, saying i can kill God, even as a joke is not right, and like i said people have to remove this idea that religion teaches someone to be a certain way, everyone is different and have different levels of tolerance, God dosen't expect everyone to be of equal tolerance, he measures the tolerance levels according to each person, for example before someone who didn't accept God was hatefull towards everyone but he improved to the best of his ability when he studied the religion, so that dosen't mean he would be completely noble, but would be to best of his abilities. it even says that in one of the books, so i might be tolerating alot to my tolerance level, and trying my best to not be agressive.

i really don't care if people joke with me in anyways they want, but i have few things i respect very well that is parents seniors and God, i would never even talk about them behind their back or in any other way, becasue at the end of the day when i die i take with me respect and nothing else.


i do understand that God loves all, but you are wrong if you think God still loves you if you Don't belive in him and make fun of him, my dads father was an atheiest, and lets just say he didn't die peacefully, or in a respectable way, even though he was very nice to me, and everyone else, when it came to God he made jokes about him, and said some nasty stuff too.

Pyro

you seem to think that just because someone doesn't love someone else then it must be hate. i don't get it? why can't God just be indifferent to athiests and let them live their lives instead of what you are implying which is that God intervened to prevent or cause an unpeaceful death.

If someone didn't believe in me (my abilities, not my existence) i'd just ignore them and go about my own life, i wouldn't hate them for it because they haven't done anything to harm me and i wouldn't wish or impose any misfortunes or tragedies upon them cause that's not right, anyway you look at it, it's dishonourable. So if you're telling me God does that, then you're telling me (in my mind) that God is no better than someone who has no self control and can't "turn the other cheek"

one of the 10 commandments is "though shall have no other God" so why the hostility towards people who have no God and no hositility to the people that have another God? you can't pick and choose what teachings to follow to a t, and what teachings that are guidelines and offer leeway. that's like saying you hear what you want to hear instead of what is really said. i say pick a side, if you're gonna follow the word of God down to every punctuation, then do it for every single religious text you follow. if you believe that religious texts offer guidelines for one's conduct and morals then leave the meaning open to everyone's intereptation and stop arguing about the literal text.

leitner is right, because no one can see God or prove/disprove his existence, the believers are his representatives on earth, much like the customer service rep is the ambassador of a company. and so far i'm not impressed by your conduct.

bruce fee

most Christians don't realize, that Jesus isn't about the ten commandments.

He only had two.

Love me. Love yourself.

If you understand these two principles, you will not be cheating, killing, being envious, robbing, etc.

Most religious people, do not seem to understand the concept of their belief.

Muslim countries for example, basically do not allow you to convert to anything else if your parents were Muslim. Now, if God gives you free will, and doesn't force you to worship/believe in him, what right do his followers have in doing so?

Not all Muslims are like this.

In Iran, if your parents are not an Arab/Persian mix for example, say they are Christian or Jewish, you are allowed to openly be so, you may practice your religion and you aren't beaten to death for it. You can have pre-marital sex, you can get drunk legally, no worries. If you're parents are of Iranian ethnicity, you are not allowed to do so.

Kind of weird when people try and force what you are to think.

I just don't understand how religious people talk about miracles that cannot be proven or repeated, yet if someone else has such an experience that is contrary to their faith, they call them crazy or on drugs.

and in the end, if praying really mattered, you wouldn't need to practice or train to win the superbowl, you just need to fast and pray harder than the other team.

Cynikal.Mindset

look at all the awards God has won over the years...grammys, emmys, billboard awards, american music awards, etc etc...sh*t, maybe I should believe in this **** so I can have a bentley and halfmillion dollar chain!

bruce fee

you, me, the power of prayer, we can do a two man cabaret.

i heard he's been helping out UFC fighters like Rich Franklin out too.

Nova_Dust

I had a great laugh from these, thank you.

ForSale

to answer your first question, you got it all wrong, did I mention you no, I mentioned Bruce fee, because he disrespected God in the worst way, by saying "I can kill God", that is CHALLENGING GOD, that’s what im talking about, yea sure God probably loves all people, but he does not like people who do not believe in him, why? common sense, anyone any being would love someone who spent their lives believing in them then some one who didn't.

you are implying God doesn’t have love, if you are implying he does not have anger.

you seem to think God is going to love all of us regardless of our doings and beliefs. He knew we were sinners before he created us, hence he created us for a purpose a reason, so if there is a purpose a reason in life, there is God. If God is pure, and the absolute truth, HOW THE .... do you think he will accept wrong doers, non believers, and so on, if that is so, it defeats the purpose of our creation, God obviously is testing who will use their free will for Good and who won't, and the rest of the plan is up to him.

don't take me as an example to the behaviour of God's teachings, i do to my best ability follow Good, but im not perfect, i come from a blood line of warriors its heridety in me to feel patriotic, and agressive naturally, so i wouldn't look at me and think of a certain teaching, you should look at Gods teaching directly rather than at a imperfect human who follows it.

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Originally Posted by bruce fee

most Christians don't realize, that Jesus isn't about the ten commandments.

wow, now I really know you don't know ish, where did you get the first paragraph from, hmmm let me guess, and let me show you how well I know things, you got that from the movie THE TEN.

"Most religious people, do not seem to understand the concept of their belief."<<<<hahahah yea an Atheist would one who has none.

"Muslim countries for example, basically do not allow you to convert to anything else if your parents were Muslim"<<<< more bull**** from bruce fake.

^^^how many Muslim countries have you been to? or do you have refugee friends in Canada who are from Afghanistan.lol

"Now, if God gives you free will, and doesn't force you to worship/believe in him, what right do his followers have in doing so"

it is said, that let the non believers be, but if a believer turns a non believer into a believer truly from hart that follower will have a place in heaven, following God and the teachings unveil many ways to do good and confirm you a place in heaven.

"Not all Muslims are like this."...........do you even know what the word Muslim means?

this is the exact Arabic translation from the quran, anyone who believes in one God.


"I just don't understand how religious people talk about miracles that cannot be proven or repeated, yet if someone else has such an experience that is contrary to their faith, they call them crazy or on drugs."

^^^ are you quoting yourself, hmm yes you are.lol


"and in the end, if praying really mattered, you wouldn't need to practice or train to win the superbowl, you just need to fast and pray harder than the other team"

^^^hahaha you're a selfish *****, all you care about is self gain, praying is for acknowledging to God and thanking him for the food he provides and the new day he lets you live to see, not trying to pray so you could win the game without doing anything, this world we live in this dimension requires physical activity to obtain physical results, God says work hard for what you want pray and I will help you, but you much achieve it yourself.

bruce fee

Me challenging god was a joke.

It's like challeging Santa Claus to see who can deliver presents to more houses, and claiming I can do more cause I'm not limited to a single day.

Native Americans are one example who still use psychoactive drugs in their religious rituals. Many cultures did, and still do.

Is it that hard to imagine the Abrahamic religions did the same?

Pyro

no if you read properly, i asked why god hates athiests. YOU seem to be under the impression that it's either love or hate. that's like saying it's either communism or facism and there's no choices inbetween.

I don't think God loves everyone, i just think it's ridiculous that you think it's either love or hate. there is such a thing as being impartial/indifference or just plain not caring. like i said, hate to me is reserved for poeple who actually commit wrong doings to me. people who just don't believe in me or don't care enough about me, i just ingore and go about my life.

if God gave us free will to choose to do right and wrong, it shouldn't be about the beliefs but rather the actions you commit to during your life time. The fact that you're telling me that a christian and an athiest can commit the exact same good deeds, donations, charity work etc with the only difference in their life being their beliefs will result in one will be accepted and the other rejected. I would never accept a God that gives merit based on belief rather than the impact and "footprints" that one has left behind.

I will take you as an example because you are chosing to take on the role of spreading God's word to people on this forum. As far as i'm concerned you represent YOUR God to me and I represent MY God to you. telling me to look at the teachings of God rather than the actions of imperfect humans is like saying look at the THEORY of the judicial system with an impartial judge, police to keep the peace and to serve and protect the civilians. Yes it all sounds great until you have your run-ins with the police and realize that they are *sses. The police, because of the conduct of the few bad apples are seen as what is wrong with the judicial system today. Yes God's teachings are great in theory, but when his messengers and representatives act with poor conduct, it reflects on God in the eyes of others.

don't forget that in theory, communism works too, it's the outcome of practice that determines whether something is good or not.

birdie92k

I still don't get why people keep trying to defend and debunk. The posts seem to paint a pretty good picture of each of our beliefs and since no post is going to make a ***** into a preacher or a preacher into a *****, I don't see the point of the ongoing bickering. I've said my piece and thats that. Like it says in proverbs, it is pointless to try to try to make a wise man of a fool. Who's wise and who's the fool? That's your choice.

I'm gonna go get one of those dvd rewinders.

bruce fee

i don't think anyone is trying to debunk anything.

only one person here seems to be unable to communicate and co-exist peacefully with people of other beliefs.

LEITNER

Cynikal.Mindset

I hear Mr. Leitner doesnt like beer