Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher
04-Mar-2008, 12:36 PM
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Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher
Seriously, I just assumed that was the case when people talk to higher powers. That or natural mental issues.
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.
Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.
"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.
Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.
"The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music."
He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said.
He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.
Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.
"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.
Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.
"The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music."
He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said.
He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.
04-Mar-2008, 12:47 PM
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pretty much ... funny how people have no beliefs but find time to criticize other people's beliefs and have the notion that their right. It's faith people!!!! You dont know if its true or not, but you have faith in what u believe ....
ironic how its a Israeli researcher too bhahaha like we going take what they say about the Catholic faith seriously bhahahha
ironic how its a Israeli researcher too bhahaha like we going take what they say about the Catholic faith seriously bhahahha
04-Mar-2008, 01:02 PM
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pretty much ... funny how people have no beliefs but find time to criticize other people's beliefs and have the notion that their right. It's faith people!!!! You dont know if its true or not, but you have faith in what u believe ....
ironic how its a Israeli researcher too bhahaha like we going take what they say about the Catholic faith seriously bhahahha
ironic how its a Israeli researcher too bhahaha like we going take what they say about the Catholic faith seriously bhahahha
ummm you know that Moses was Israeli right? ... and religious Israelis (jews) believe the whole Old Testament, so it's all faiths related to the bible he's challenging not just Catholicism
04-Mar-2008, 01:45 PM
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yup, the teacher should have added it could have been that moses had a mental disorder as well.
what do you mean he wasn't a good teacher?
what is more likely. a random guy sees a talking bush from god, or a random guy sees a talking bush from psychoactive drugs?
back then, if you told someone what a molecule was, they would call you a heretic and burn you.
all modern medicine revolves around molecular science.
if you a bunch of people who think the earth is flat, it gets darker when they go sleep becuase there is a blanket above them, and the light spots are not stars, but holes in the blanket, writing books, and you believe them over rational thought and logic?
you've had bad teachers my friend.
what do you mean he wasn't a good teacher?
what is more likely. a random guy sees a talking bush from god, or a random guy sees a talking bush from psychoactive drugs?
back then, if you told someone what a molecule was, they would call you a heretic and burn you.
all modern medicine revolves around molecular science.
if you a bunch of people who think the earth is flat, it gets darker when they go sleep becuase there is a blanket above them, and the light spots are not stars, but holes in the blanket, writing books, and you believe them over rational thought and logic?
you've had bad teachers my friend.
04-Mar-2008, 01:50 PM
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yup, the teacher should have added it could have been that moses had a mental disorder as well.
what do you mean he wasn't a good teacher?
what is more likely. a random guy sees a talking bush from god, or a random guy sees a talking bush from psychoactive drugs?
back then, if you told someone what a molecule was, they would call you a heretic and burn you.
all modern medicine revolves around molecular science.
if you a bunch of people who think the earth is flat, it gets darker when they go sleep becuase there is a blanket above them, and the light spots are not stars, but holes in the blanket, writing books, and you believe them over rational thought and logic?
you've had bad teachers my friend.
what do you mean he wasn't a good teacher?
what is more likely. a random guy sees a talking bush from god, or a random guy sees a talking bush from psychoactive drugs?
back then, if you told someone what a molecule was, they would call you a heretic and burn you.
all modern medicine revolves around molecular science.
if you a bunch of people who think the earth is flat, it gets darker when they go sleep becuase there is a blanket above them, and the light spots are not stars, but holes in the blanket, writing books, and you believe them over rational thought and logic?
you've had bad teachers my friend.
04-Mar-2008, 02:14 PM
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That's a pretty weak argument, Bruce.
You think religion doesn't take these things into consideration? For example, if you ever read Gabrielle Amroth's book (he's the chief excorcist of Rome) you will know that he is always initially VERY skeptical of people who come to him for help.
He does a phone interview first, and if he feels that they should see him, then he allows it. And he almost always has a psychiatrist examine the person first to determine whether or not the problems stem from some kind of mental condition or not.
You think religion doesn't take these things into consideration? For example, if you ever read Gabrielle Amroth's book (he's the chief excorcist of Rome) you will know that he is always initially VERY skeptical of people who come to him for help.
He does a phone interview first, and if he feels that they should see him, then he allows it. And he almost always has a psychiatrist examine the person first to determine whether or not the problems stem from some kind of mental condition or not.
04-Mar-2008, 04:28 PM
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What’s up with you and fkin drugs go take pills of 5 e and die then go ask God if he really exists.
This is so hilarious, in the predictions it also said there will be a time also when people will start to emerge everywhere trying to disapprove God. These are all hints to the near of the end, which may not be for another 100 years but these are all signs of it, another sign was gambling, it would become an addiction everywhere, and its true look how big Poker on-line has become, some of the people I know in the gulf tell, me that the current generation is so fked up doing drugs and gambling all the time.
One more thing you need to get in your head dude, God will never appear in front of a human on this earth and this time, God may only speak or maybe his angels speak to messengers chosen from birth. The whole game plan is about who believes and who doesn’t, when it comes to God there is no logical answer at human understanding that would make sense, heck most people don't even understand calculus.
You will be no body in this life or the life after, you simple don't have any beliefs, and if you don't believe in anything you won’t get there.
Atheist are like the accepted homosexual gays of today, no even worse. Even gays believe in God, have some self respect and stop talking about something you don't believe in.
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04-Mar-2008, 04:41 PM
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people have always gambled, indulged in narcotic substances and not believe in this figure people like to call "God"...every generation is fubar'd according to the previous...its life, thats all it is, no divine plan, no nothing...when you die, you're dead...we all have to live in this universe that could very well be contained in a raindrop on a blade of grass in central park and our lifetime which feels like eternity may only be mere seconds
people have always gambled, indulged in narcotic substances and not believe in this figure people like to call "God"...every generation is fubar'd according to the previous...its life, thats all it is, no divine plan, no nothing...when you die, you're dead...we all have to live in this universe that could very well be contained in a raindrop on a blade of grass in central park and our lifetime which feels like eternity may only be mere seconds
