imported_zhu

When I bought my car, I had my dealer do emissions an emissions test for it.

It turns out that the certificate is FAKE when I brought it to MTO.

So I went back to the dealer.. and he's offering to give me a free emissions retest.


I have talked to a few people and seem to have the following options:

1. Take his offer on the emissions test and leave it as that. (I waste a lot of my time and need to take time off work. And he gets away with no penalty)

2. Report his *** to Emissions Office and he will likely be fined $30,000 and have his license suspended. (Nothing in it for me... not even another emissions test)

3. Threaten him with #2 for money. (I get money if he gives me.. but this is kinda illegal...)


Which one should I go with?

Need some help on this ><

Thanks!

Cynikal.Mindset

they must be dumb ****s if they cant "fake" an e-test....its easy as slapping another car on the dyno and doin the test

the right thing to do is number 2. 30grand hits hard!

imported_viper_2_4

ya, if these jerks are letting dirty cars drive around destrying the environment, go with 2, teach em a lesson........was this a Honda dealership??

imported_starboy869

Well do #1 and #2

Get a free e-test and report there a$$

imported_zhu

This was a privately owned dealership.

Ya I think #1 then #2 sounds good =)

Thanks for the opinions guys!

imported_kIeRaN

#3!!!!!!!!! Get some money andrew!

imported_Cablerat

You're NOT gonna get any money out of it.

How was this emission's FAKE? plz explain..

Just re-do the emissions and leave it at that..

imported_kane2k

Get the emissions test redone at the dealer and ask to talk to the owner about it. Indicate that you are upset over the time that you've had to spend doing something that you were assured was done. Don't mention reporting anything to him. Try and get something out of him for your wasted time, this is not illegal, this is standard business. It could be oil changes, winter tires, whatever. He knows he's in potential trouble over the faked certificate so I would expect him to accomodating. If he's a dick about it, or tries to get you to pay more money, then that would tell me that he's scamming and that it wasn't an honest mistake on his part to give you a bad certificate so then you should report him. Do not, under any circumstances, threaten to report him or talk to him about it, nothing good will come of that. If you're going to do it, just do it, no need for a confrontation.

imported_Yuki

Fry him up and throw him to the wolves. I can have a judge friend of mine look at the case if you want and try to escalate it to a higher court so they can do more to him.

Or better yet. I can think of some payback if you are interested.

imported_zhu

Lol.. payback.. haha... i wana hear this =P
I talked to a lawyer that I know. He said this is not worth going to court over =(. If I report him, the ministry is going to do enough damage to them.


With the emissions test, comes a certificate with a certificate number and vehicle VIN number.
The certificate number is automaticlly entiered into the emissions system as well as the VIN number of my car as soon as the emissions was done. When I called the emissions office, they said the certificate number that I got does not match the VIN number of my car. Hence, the certificate I received was probably fake.

imported_Cablerat

^^^

I don't get it... What did this dealer think? you were gonna just look at the paper and thats it? Its obvious the emission paper would have reached the ministry.. Something bout this doesn't sound right..

shlammed

what the hell is the point of giving someone a fake emissions paper?

imported_viper_2_4

simple, I think the $17.50 (or whatever it is) that the government makes them charge for a re-test is bad for them, I am sure they lose money, so it is in thier best interest to have you pass, saves them labour....

imported_Cablerat

I say again.. doesn't make sense! you can't FAKE a paper.. You can fake the test by putting another vehicle on the tester.. It's all connected to the ministry.. when that page prints, it's all ready in the ministry's database.. there's no way you can print a fake paper and think it'll get past the ministry database.

imported_zhu

Maybe the dealer thinks I'm a dumbass and that I will go and do emissions myself when the time comes instead of going back for him.

Or maybe he did do the emissions test and it turns out the car needs a LOT of money in repairs so he wanted to get the sale first and hope I get the problems fixed elsewhere before I need the emissions papers.


I have no idea what the dude is thinking.. maybe he's just stupid.

imported_zhu

dealer gave me free emissions test...

FAIL!

HC ppm - pass
CO % - pass
NO ppm - FAIL -> limit 732, reading 892

Repair cost limit: $450


My plates are already expired. Need them renewed fast. But dealer is a slow SOB... I'm wondering if I should take legal action. Is that possible?

electronblue

iTrader: (1)

Yes it is possible, this is called fraudulent misrepresentation, and there are two possible remedies for your case:

1. Take it to court and request that the Dealer take back the car, and give you a full refund of what you paid plus interest, or;

2. Take it to court and request the dealer to pay for the repairs and the continual retest.

I am assuming that you bought the car certified and etested, correct me if I'm wrong?

imported_zhu

Yep.
Certified and etested.

I want to choose 1 and get a full refund.
But the problem with that is the full price I paid is not indicated on the receipt. For tax purposes.

So the price indicated on the receipt is actually $3000 less than what I actually paid.

motti

Well, that certainly puts you in a jackpot position, doesn't it?

They can just cheerfully offer to refund you the purchase price, as indicated on the receipt, and there's not a whole lot you can do about it without showing your own dirty hands.

Civil actions are real hard to pursue when your own hands are not clean.

electronblue

iTrader: (1)

No problems there if you paid by certified cheque, or money order. Forget the receipt, just bring a copy of the negotiated cheque to court. (front and reverse) You can get this from the bank for a small fee.