"Stock" b18c1?
23-Jan-2004, 03:32 PM
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"Stock" b18c1?
I was reading a mag today and came upon a little advertisment and wondering if this is true:
"FACT stock motors can handle boost"
and it shows 3 daily driven motor with 17,20,22 lbs of boost it also says *stock ECUs and motors*.
"Our head gaskeys safely lower compression ratios to 9:1 with proper compression and fuel system management.
Now im curious and not believing the fact taht stock motors are going to be able to take up to 22lb pounds or could this be true?.
"FACT stock motors can handle boost"
and it shows 3 daily driven motor with 17,20,22 lbs of boost it also says *stock ECUs and motors*.
"Our head gaskeys safely lower compression ratios to 9:1 with proper compression and fuel system management.
Now im curious and not believing the fact taht stock motors are going to be able to take up to 22lb pounds or could this be true?.
23-Jan-2004, 03:35 PM
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with 17,20,22 lbs of boost it also says *stock ECUs and motors*
Bahahahahaha
at that boost with a stock MAP sensor and ECU the computer would spit in your eye and call you names
right before puking up a rod through the block and possibly the hood.
Bahahahahaha
at that boost with a stock MAP sensor and ECU the computer would spit in your eye and call you names
right before puking up a rod through the block and possibly the hood.
23-Jan-2004, 04:10 PM
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it woudl need a standalone and a small *** turbo to do it..like a 14b or 16g on a standalone with the 9:1 on a b18c miight be able to do it for a short period of time..the stock sleeves might crack or a rod woudl snap if tuned perfect and the pistons' didnt' melt...it left alot of things unsaid like what turbo and injecotrs and piggy back controller's in teh "stock ecu"
26-Jan-2004, 11:23 AM
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Stronger head gasket = less chance of the prssure blowing it out... = better for boost
however with 22 PSI of boost your bound to break something else...most likely within 3 or 4 seconds of starting it
however with 22 PSI of boost your bound to break something else...most likely within 3 or 4 seconds of starting it
27-Jan-2004, 02:14 AM
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its ALL ABOUT hp .
you can have a turbo making 300 whp on 10 psi or another doing it at 20 psi.
fact is..both are 300 whp.
boost pressure doenst break motors... HP does(or detonation)
thicker headgaskets have been around for a while and just give you a little more room for "error" on the stock motor as it lowers compression. True the higher comp motor will make more power on lower psi but tuning a car with 10.2:1 comp is a little harder then with 9:1 on pump gas.(with the higher comp you have less room for "error") doesnt mean its not safe though.
now for higher boost youd need to change the map sensor...and as for the ecu...there are a few things you can run on high boost and still be ...ok...not super great but it will get by.
www.inlinepro.com
they make a good thicker headgasket thats tried and true...pricey though(for a headgasket)
you can have a turbo making 300 whp on 10 psi or another doing it at 20 psi.
fact is..both are 300 whp.
boost pressure doenst break motors... HP does(or detonation)
thicker headgaskets have been around for a while and just give you a little more room for "error" on the stock motor as it lowers compression. True the higher comp motor will make more power on lower psi but tuning a car with 10.2:1 comp is a little harder then with 9:1 on pump gas.(with the higher comp you have less room for "error") doesnt mean its not safe though.
now for higher boost youd need to change the map sensor...and as for the ecu...there are a few things you can run on high boost and still be ...ok...not super great but it will get by.
www.inlinepro.com
they make a good thicker headgasket thats tried and true...pricey though(for a headgasket)
28-Jan-2004, 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by EM1Turbo
its ALL ABOUT hp .
you can have a turbo making 300 whp on 10 psi or another doing it at 20 psi.
fact is..both are 300 whp.
boost pressure doenst break motors... HP does(or detonation)
thicker headgaskets have been around for a while and just give you a little more room for "error" on the stock motor as it lowers compression. True the higher comp motor will make more power on lower psi but tuning a car with 10.2:1 comp is a little harder then with 9:1 on pump gas.(with the higher comp you have less room for "error") doesnt mean its not safe though.
now for higher boost youd need to change the map sensor...and as for the ecu...there are a few things you can run on high boost and still be ...ok...not super great but it will get by.
www.inlinepro.com
they make a good thicker headgasket thats tried and true...pricey though(for a headgasket)
its ALL ABOUT hp .
you can have a turbo making 300 whp on 10 psi or another doing it at 20 psi.
fact is..both are 300 whp.
boost pressure doenst break motors... HP does(or detonation)
thicker headgaskets have been around for a while and just give you a little more room for "error" on the stock motor as it lowers compression. True the higher comp motor will make more power on lower psi but tuning a car with 10.2:1 comp is a little harder then with 9:1 on pump gas.(with the higher comp you have less room for "error") doesnt mean its not safe though.
now for higher boost youd need to change the map sensor...and as for the ecu...there are a few things you can run on high boost and still be ...ok...not super great but it will get by.
www.inlinepro.com
they make a good thicker headgasket thats tried and true...pricey though(for a headgasket)
IMO, HP is only the #3 killer of turbo motors.
1st is knock
2nd is preignition
be clear that knock and preignition are NOT the same thing. One is an uncontrolled explosion, the second is a controlled but mis-timed ignition due to cylinder hot spots.
28-Jan-2004, 06:54 PM
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I agree .
Id say people experience knock more so then pre ignition(id say thats more rare) id put power before pre ignition but it all depends.
20 psi is hot but not that insane.
20 psi tuned running 290 whp will last longer then a detonating 6 psi motor.(making 200 whp or 300 whp)
anyways.
point is the heat from 20 psi isnt so much a factor as howmuch power your making(when it comes to stock motors)
20 psi intercooled probably has cooler charge temps then 6-10 psi jrsc set ups.
Id say people experience knock more so then pre ignition(id say thats more rare) id put power before pre ignition but it all depends.
20 psi is hot but not that insane.
20 psi tuned running 290 whp will last longer then a detonating 6 psi motor.(making 200 whp or 300 whp)
anyways.
point is the heat from 20 psi isnt so much a factor as howmuch power your making(when it comes to stock motors)
20 psi intercooled probably has cooler charge temps then 6-10 psi jrsc set ups.
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