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imported_mikepasini 29-May-2006 11:00 AM

EK with B18c1... b20 bottom end?
 
is it as simple as that? bolting on a b20 bottom end on my motor to get a b20 vtec? i know there is lots out there, but i have just a b18c1 set-up now and have been hearing more and more about the cost effictiveness and power potential... what could i be making hp/tq wise with a direct switch...

RDub99 29-May-2006 12:52 PM

I don't think its very cost effective if you already have a full gsr motor

markpa 29-May-2006 01:35 PM


Originally posted by RDub99
I don't think its very cost effective if you already have a full gsr motor
jsut build what u have

chris_si98 29-May-2006 02:39 PM

why dont you research before you post.

imported_Spiderman 29-May-2006 03:32 PM


Originally posted by chris_si98
why dont you research before you post.
Better yet.
Why don't you research before you buy an entire motor and install it.

imported_Team Rukus 29-May-2006 03:39 PM

i believe you need drill oil lines or some crap like that.

imported_wajih1 29-May-2006 03:48 PM

Its the same as doing an ls/vtec, you need to get an oil line for the vtec.

imported_mikepasini 29-May-2006 04:50 PM

yes, let me pull out the automotive encyclopedia set and do some research before asking every questions... i am looking for opinions... not facts... if i were looking for facts, then this would not be a forum, now would it?

imported_mikepasini 29-May-2006 04:51 PM

sorry for the double post... but thanks for the input from those who chose to give it.

imported_Spiderman 29-May-2006 04:52 PM


Originally posted by mikepasini
yes, let me pull out the automotive encyclopedia set and do some research before asking every questions... i am looking for opinions... not facts... if i were looking for facts, then this would not be a forum, now would it?

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...wha?

kwikb16a2 29-May-2006 04:59 PM

can you guys tell me how to put a b18c1 head on my d16y7?? Thanks

imported_mikepasini 29-May-2006 05:21 PM


Originally posted by kwikb16a2
can you guys tell me how to put a b18c1 head on my d16y7?? Thanks
not even... figure that **** out yourself... :leafs:

zeeman 29-May-2006 07:29 PM

theres lots of info on b20vtecs on here.
plain and simple....if you wanna stay n/a displacement owns.
B20vtecs need different pistons IMO, but there isn't an oem piston that you can use to raise the compression like there is with a lsvtec. But there are 84mm high(er) compression cast pistons out there so you don't have to buy forged, (forged are good but $$$)
The Golden Eagle vtec conversion kits are nice, worth the money IMO. And ARP head studs and rod bolts are a really good idea. Along with balancing of the rotating assembly and a vtec oil/water pump....especially if high rpms are in store.
As for just tossin in a b20 bottom end, its not that simple, unfortunately.

chris_si98 29-May-2006 09:50 PM


Originally posted by Spiderman


Better yet.
Why don't you research before you buy an entire motor and install it.

is that comment directed to me adam? or the non-searcher?

imported_Spiderman 29-May-2006 10:21 PM


Originally posted by chris_si98


is that comment directed to me adam? or the non-searcher?

The non-searcher.
:wink:

markpa 30-May-2006 03:50 AM

or instead of spending $$ on upgrades save it for your next problem.

imported_mikepasini 30-May-2006 11:12 AM


Originally posted by zeeman
theres lots of info on b20vtecs on here.
plain and simple....if you wanna stay n/a displacement owns.
B20vtecs need different pistons IMO, but there isn't an oem piston that you can use to raise the compression like there is with a lsvtec. But there are 84mm high(er) compression cast pistons out there so you don't have to buy forged, (forged are good but $$$)
The Golden Eagle vtec conversion kits are nice, worth the money IMO. And ARP head studs and rod bolts are a really good idea. Along with balancing of the rotating assembly and a vtec oil/water pump....especially if high rpms are in store.
As for just tossin in a b20 bottom end, its not that simple, unfortunately.


thanks man, my question is definitely answered as i really would like a high-revving motor and i don't think i will be able to get that out of a b20... thanks everyone!

imported_ITK 30-May-2006 02:32 PM

IMO don't do it.... too many possible problems with hybrid motors

zeeman 30-May-2006 02:54 PM

the problem isn't with hybrid engines, its with the fact that they're built for high performance. I've seen plenty of ls/b20vtecs that run as good and last as long as any b16 or gsr/itr. Its when you skimp on things like not using ARP rod bolts/head studs or not using vtec oil/water pumps and then rev to 8500 rpms when you run into problems.
Engines (all not just lsvtec) are only as good as you build them. If you wanna just slap a vtec head on a ls/b20 bottom end, don't expect much. But if you wanna build it right and get it tuned good you can expect 250+whp and 160+ft/lbs.

Scott-93HBSi 30-May-2006 03:10 PM


Originally posted by wajih1
Its the same as doing an ls/vtec, you need to get an oil line for the vtec.
Well yes and no.
Similar in concept, but there are a few subtle differences between the B20 and B18's than NEED to be addressed to have a successsful running motor - such as the lack of a oil seperator and PCV on the back of B20 block.

Other weak point on the B20 (other than the cylinder walls) is the rod bots - that should be addressed if you're planning on reving the motor higher than the stock redline.


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