imported_loudsubz

Is there much diff between these engines, besides a small amount of HP. Are there any price diff.?

What about reliability, i heard the ZC are older and less relibale.

any input thanks.

imported_precision4

I'm not sure about the ZC, the people who have them love em but I've heard that they do have problems.. I have the SOHC VTEC swapped in and I love it. whne that VTEC kicks in it just puts a huge smile across my face

imported_loudsubz

whats the price installed for the SOHC vtec? Is it similar to the ZC price?

Also, in a 4th gen, how much extra wiring is needed to runt he vtec?

imported_94EG6HB

Ask Dented DX about ZC opinions...

I do believe that he still needs an ECU though....

imported_dmacbo

the zc is reliable, like every engine, just keep it well maintained, i've loved it since i got one in my crx , you can pick up a zc for about $650, the price of the sohc vtec is a little more, my buddy is doing one for his crx right now so i'll see how much he paid

imported_My Blue Si

the zc is very reliable, much more reliable than the d16, those motors are **** and slow. and parts for the zc is not that expensive and they are not hard to find at all.

imported_precision4

KSR swapped in my D16z6 for $700 without the ecu or harness. He hooked up VTEC with a switch so that when I am at full throttle VYEC comes on which means that I dont have the wait for that 5500 VTEC limti to kick in. I usually get VTEC at about 4000rpm..

imported_loudsubz

Did that include labour etc?

imported_dented dx

yo my zc is running nicely, im running the si ecq and not to bad

imported_loudsubz

why do you say that?

imported_Warfa

As you know, i have the d16z6 engine in my 4th gen hatch. The engine cost me 750 after tax. I did the install myself over the weekend. I had a dx hatch so the wiring is a bit more extensive than with the si. But i wouldn't say it was hard. There are a million step by step instructions on the web for the sohc vtec swap. Unfortunately, i am currently having some reliability issues with my engine. But that because i've tuned my piggy back computer to run a bit rich.

I picked the SOHC over the ZC cause at the time (about 1.5 years ago), the ZC cost much more than the SOHC engine. I have no complaints except that when the vtec comes in, its not that much of a difference.

I would stay away from the bseries engines for the 4th gen civics only cause the mounts cost so damn much. One can get a b series LS block for about the same price as a set of b series conversion mounts. Friggen rip off if you ask me. But if you ever get a good deal on the b series mounts, I would definately go with a b series engine.

GrEeNcIvIc

i love the zc, i would go with the zc because once it is installed properly one has no complaints, it is powerful and can produce a smile on anyones face.

punkindrublic

d16z6 all the way..... 240 000kms and still going strong with no major problems

imported_JookSingKid

I thought I'd just add a little input...

From what I've seen, there are Single Cam non-vtec motors, that when properly built will make B16As cry.

so don't write off the singel cam non-vtec motor either.

I have seen one measure 130 lbs/ft at the wheels.

punkindrublic

thats so true... i've done tons of research into what the d series can do.... someone in the states built a d16z6 with turbo/intercool that made 240 someodd hp at the wheels.... i saw that one a while ago but he had a dyno sheet for it....

imagine dusting a vette and poping the hood to only see one cam and no dohc vtec on the valve cover.....

imported_daquel

I saw this on another site as well! His name is oscar myer or something like that! I told this story to "My Blue Si" last week and he looked at me like I was full of ****! Well not all d16's are ****!

Here's one I found of this guy making 220whp 202ft/lbs using a turbo kit with 14psi of boost on a D16 with stock internals! Dyno to prove. Very streetable! 6-8psi daily pushing 180whp and at the track cranking it up to 14psi of boost! I guess I should follow the rest and do a B16 swap huh?

http://forums.civicland.com/viewtopi...orum=7&start=0

imported_Slvr-Bullet

Hopefully I will be pushing close to that next spring. Need a damn standalone or some sorta fuel controller. Is anyone else trying to be different from the rest and modding their SOHC non-vtec engine??

imported_JookSingKid

Just to clarify that was 130 lbs/ft at the wheels on an ALL motor, non-VTEC, single cam.

*Here's a hint*

It drives beautifully with a pack of B16 hybrids.

imported_My Blue Si

i just think the d16b is a complete waste of money doing up, just spend $800 put a zc in your car and modify it as you would with a D16 and you'll have much more power. That's what i would do anyway it's all up to you and your project you want to build.

imported_JookSingKid

Come to spoil our fun I see....

the beauty of the singlecam non-VTEC, is power on demand.

You'd have to see it action in order really be excited about it