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08-Jul-2006, 10:22 AM
#41
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Originally posted by markpa Its funny u say that, yet when cscs rolls around all the k's guys stay home? Why is that?
h22 Bets bang for the buck period.
h22 Bets bang for the buck period.
08-Jul-2006, 05:36 PM
#42
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Personally, I like K's. They make great power and are extremely reliable, if installed properly. I wouldn't even say that they are over priced when concidering that B18C5's and K20A's are within $1000-$1500 apart. (6spd manuel, 30 more hp, multiple V-tec points and larger displacement) To be honest I think it's all the extra parts and labour that you require, that over inflate the price tag.
I believe same to be true with H22's Vs B's aswell. Let me start by saying "There is no replacement for displacement".
From this stand point, H22's are definetly the better bang for the buck. They have more potential. But again, by the time your done buying all the mounts, cables, custom axles, and extra labour to install. It works out to be about the same as most JDM GSR's, Frankenstein's or even ITR's. Coupled with slower shifting (cables Vs. rod), unforgiving syncros (more tendency to grind), excesive vibrations (custom mounts), and FRM sleeves (compatiblity with aftermarket pistons), B-series start to look more inviting.
H22's Vs B's in a full race apllication in my opinion are better, when you consider that vibrations are not a porblem, custom sleeves are and option, and you can use a tranny plate to convert the tranny to B-series. But again, in a daily driver scenario B-series wins, Hands Down.
This is a personal opinion, and am not trying to discredit anybody. Best of luck with all your swaps.
I believe same to be true with H22's Vs B's aswell. Let me start by saying "There is no replacement for displacement".
From this stand point, H22's are definetly the better bang for the buck. They have more potential. But again, by the time your done buying all the mounts, cables, custom axles, and extra labour to install. It works out to be about the same as most JDM GSR's, Frankenstein's or even ITR's. Coupled with slower shifting (cables Vs. rod), unforgiving syncros (more tendency to grind), excesive vibrations (custom mounts), and FRM sleeves (compatiblity with aftermarket pistons), B-series start to look more inviting.
H22's Vs B's in a full race apllication in my opinion are better, when you consider that vibrations are not a porblem, custom sleeves are and option, and you can use a tranny plate to convert the tranny to B-series. But again, in a daily driver scenario B-series wins, Hands Down.
This is a personal opinion, and am not trying to discredit anybody. Best of luck with all your swaps.
08-Jul-2006, 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by 8.5K
its very true. K's are str8 up overrated. i said this months ago and got crusified. i'd take a 22 any day over a K. i don't have enough money to be cool, but, i have enough paper to be fast. K does not give you fast points, man. i see b20v's make 240+whp with basic set ups. then i see dudes with ips cams, itb's, kpro & $1500 headers. and they wonder why these bloated k dyno's look so interesting? yet the cams and itb's, header and k pro is more than $4K alone. i don't get it. yes, an oem motor will be more reliable, but, when your trying to go fast, reliability goes out the window. K's are the future, but, unless you throw a sh1tload of money into it, its not that fast. i don't care what anybody says.....K IS OVERRATED!
its very true. K's are str8 up overrated. i said this months ago and got crusified. i'd take a 22 any day over a K. i don't have enough money to be cool, but, i have enough paper to be fast. K does not give you fast points, man. i see b20v's make 240+whp with basic set ups. then i see dudes with ips cams, itb's, kpro & $1500 headers. and they wonder why these bloated k dyno's look so interesting? yet the cams and itb's, header and k pro is more than $4K alone. i don't get it. yes, an oem motor will be more reliable, but, when your trying to go fast, reliability goes out the window. K's are the future, but, unless you throw a sh1tload of money into it, its not that fast. i don't care what anybody says.....K IS OVERRATED!
so true man... unless you have enough cash
08-Jul-2006, 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by plzbeleiveit
k20 = $9000 = 200 whp, pay 9000 for a booster type r = 3x more whp than k20.
k20 = $9000 = 200 whp, pay 9000 for a booster type r = 3x more whp than k20.
the k-series is much more responsive to mods (dyno proven all over H-T) and a boosted k-series will eat up a boosted type-R hahaha...
and talk to goose****, he can put in a k-series for a good price, MUCH LESS THAN 9000....
08-Jul-2006, 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by t_dot_SiR
and talk to goose****, he can put in a k-series for a good price, MUCH LESS THAN 9000....
and talk to goose****, he can put in a k-series for a good price, MUCH LESS THAN 9000....
09-Jul-2006, 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by DefconDave
Personally, I like K's. They make great power and are extremely reliable, if installed properly. I wouldn't even say that they are over priced when concidering that B18C5's and K20A's are within $1000-$1500 apart. (6spd manuel, 30 more hp, multiple V-tec points and larger displacement) To be honest I think it's all the extra parts and labour that you require, that over inflate the price tag.
I believe same to be true with H22's Vs B's aswell. Let me start by saying "There is no replacement for displacement".
From this stand point, H22's are definetly the better bang for the buck. They have more potential. But again, by the time your done buying all the mounts, cables, custom axles, and extra labour to install. It works out to be about the same as most JDM GSR's, Frankenstein's or even ITR's. Coupled with slower shifting (cables Vs. rod), unforgiving syncros (more tendency to grind), excesive vibrations (custom mounts), and FRM sleeves (compatiblity with aftermarket pistons), B-series start to look more inviting.
H22's Vs B's in a full race apllication in my opinion are better, when you consider that vibrations are not a porblem, custom sleeves are and option, and you can use a tranny plate to convert the tranny to B-series. But again, in a daily driver scenario B-series wins, Hands Down.
This is a personal opinion, and am not trying to discredit anybody. Best of luck with all your swaps.
Personally, I like K's. They make great power and are extremely reliable, if installed properly. I wouldn't even say that they are over priced when concidering that B18C5's and K20A's are within $1000-$1500 apart. (6spd manuel, 30 more hp, multiple V-tec points and larger displacement) To be honest I think it's all the extra parts and labour that you require, that over inflate the price tag.
I believe same to be true with H22's Vs B's aswell. Let me start by saying "There is no replacement for displacement".
From this stand point, H22's are definetly the better bang for the buck. They have more potential. But again, by the time your done buying all the mounts, cables, custom axles, and extra labour to install. It works out to be about the same as most JDM GSR's, Frankenstein's or even ITR's. Coupled with slower shifting (cables Vs. rod), unforgiving syncros (more tendency to grind), excesive vibrations (custom mounts), and FRM sleeves (compatiblity with aftermarket pistons), B-series start to look more inviting.
H22's Vs B's in a full race apllication in my opinion are better, when you consider that vibrations are not a porblem, custom sleeves are and option, and you can use a tranny plate to convert the tranny to B-series. But again, in a daily driver scenario B-series wins, Hands Down.
This is a personal opinion, and am not trying to discredit anybody. Best of luck with all your swaps.
09-Jul-2006, 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by j_limitz
i picked up my k20a2 for $3000 complete...the only thing i was missing was an ecu which i picked up for $350...the only expensive part are the pieces needed for the install...other than that i have seen shops that would do the k-swap for $800 if you have everything complete for the swap...
i picked up my k20a2 for $3000 complete...the only thing i was missing was an ecu which i picked up for $350...the only expensive part are the pieces needed for the install...other than that i have seen shops that would do the k-swap for $800 if you have everything complete for the swap...
from what I understand, you cannot use the K-series ECU easily due to the immobolizer(SP?) that comes equiped with the RSX/Integra. It is possible but more work is needed to be done with the wiring to by pass that to the ecu.
I belive most people run the Hondata K-pro o the k-series engines for tunability and performance.
09-Jul-2006, 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by SaYjAiBaO
800 in labour?! wow those guys must be desperate....
800 in labour?! wow those guys must be desperate....
09-Jul-2006, 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by markpa
U get what u pay for, I heard hes the one who installed Mikepasini motor...etc...no more needs to be said.
U get what u pay for, I heard hes the one who installed Mikepasini motor...etc...no more needs to be said.
as long as the installer is willing to look into the problem and fix it up coz its his/her fault, then that's all cool... most newly swaps experience some downtime in the first few weeks... can't complain...
09-Jul-2006, 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by SaYjAiBaO
his car is already up and running, rips like hell too he says.
his car is already up and running, rips like hell too he says.
hmm weird, i'd like to find out how they got buy this. From what I read and talked to about Nikos and pacman, it's easier just to get the k-pro.
maybe he'll chime in and bring some light on this
09-Jul-2006, 02:29 AM
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Originally posted by mugen_r
hmm weird, i'd like to find out how they got buy this. From what I read and talked to about Nikos and pacman, it's easier just to get the k-pro.
maybe he'll chime in and bring some light on this
hmm weird, i'd like to find out how they got buy this. From what I read and talked to about Nikos and pacman, it's easier just to get the k-pro.
maybe he'll chime in and bring some light on this
09-Jul-2006, 10:47 AM
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Those numbers are power put to the floor. And mysetup is well under 3 grand. Seeing that my car came with a b17 stock, i used alot of old parts of it and save some money. but anyways, a h22 wouldt stand a chance, ive raced h22 at kayuga in a buble back and had internals, heads and many other bolt ons and his best run was a 14.3 ( which was a big fluke ). In other words h22 are espensive for the power your getting and your also going to be going through clutchs and trannys like no tomorrow, thats the only good stuff ive every heard from them. even my stock b17 ran low 15s all day, and i pay WELL under 3 grand and run 13.8 with winters. Tell me that the b20 is not well worth it?
09-Jul-2006, 10:56 AM
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i am using the dc5r ecu at this moment...i will be doing kpro but not until next year....
$800 was quoted to me by auto six in mississauga...based on if all the parts necessary to do the swap are present...i'm sure they would run into trouble but who doesn't?
the only problem i have right now is that my engine light is on but that is because i am waiting for my o2 sensor to come in and i don't have one...and my airbag light is on because well...i have no airbags ha ha
$800 was quoted to me by auto six in mississauga...based on if all the parts necessary to do the swap are present...i'm sure they would run into trouble but who doesn't?
the only problem i have right now is that my engine light is on but that is because i am waiting for my o2 sensor to come in and i don't have one...and my airbag light is on because well...i have no airbags ha ha
