scott newman

I have a set of adjustable cam sprockets and type r cams for an sir. I was wondering if anyone had any numbers for a base setting, keeping in mind, I am not going to race the car I just want it to be better than stock. I have no intentions of going to a dyno to screw around with it, not in the budget, any info would be appreciated

imported_Duge

you are a rat bastard, you have adjustable cam sprockets

hey bbarbulo, i'm sure you have some insight here, you know everything man..lets get some numbers happenin'

hey scott don't even know why you put this post up, nobody doesn't know s h i t about s h i t about that kinda stuff..HOWEVER if you said "yo guy i wanna put a widebody kit on my SiR" then you would have posts comin' out the ying yang

good luck mang

1sloweg

It depends, everybody's motors are different, you really need a dyno to tune cam gears.

90ls

useless with Type R Cams.


if you did'nt buy them yet dont. not worth it.

only good for more agressive cams.

once you dyno the car you will understand what i'm saying

dingus88

^^somewhat true you wont' really see much gains with the itr's as is so tunign them will gain even less hp..you mgiht gain after all is said and tuned perfect 7-10 whp maybe...get some skunks or crowers

El_LoCo

how much gains (whp) would u get with Skunk2 StgII's and Skunk2 gears??? more than 7-10 i hope!

dingus88

stage 1's I've saw 145-155whp on b16's and 160 even..so I'd say your in the 160-170 whp territory with the right supporting mods and tuning..you will probobly have to see 9000 rpm's though,...... enter hondata

El_LoCo

YA YA!!! i also got skunk2 Intake mani, and springs/retainers, bored out TB, HEaders, and POrt n polish!!! so i should be looking at close to 200 WHP?? with proper tuning?

dingus88

200ish will be very hard to get with a stock 1.6 bore...you will beed to increase displacement or get soem gnarly jun 3 or toda c action....180-185 more than likely which is pretty damn good...not to mention 9000rpms..

1sloweg

yeah, i dont think your close to 200 whp, **** all motor mark is at 201 whp. Its very hard like dingus88 said to get 200 whp out of a b16. There arnt many fast all motor b16's around.

scott newman

I am surprised that you guys think that 7-10 hp is not alot. That is all I am trying to achieve. And type r cams make a huge difference, I would really love to buy crower or skunk2 cams, I really would, but if dynoing is not even in the budget, then how do you expect me to spend 2500 on the setup that would give real hp gains. I am also surprised that adjustabel cam timing wont make a diff and not worth it. Like someone said here, all engines are different. And with that said, even if you set your adjustabel sprockts to a stock loeb center you will pick up hp. Manufacturing spec is "good enough" I have set alot of cam timing and stock there is around a 5-7 degree difference with stock cam sprockets, and no one even asked how much is cut off the head, what kind of head gasket I am running, that will all make a difference, what about t belt imperfections, streaching??? That all makes a huge difference, I guess because I am an engine builder I am a perfectionist, and I am looking for gains but I am realistic with numbers, everyone is so wrapped up in gaining some huge hp numbers, what about tourque, did we forget??? That is another reason that sprocets are good to have you can choose your power. Anyways, I guess there are no numbers here. If anyone has some useful info let me know. For the one who said dont buy the cams, already bought, already installed, remember it is all a piece of the puzzle, no one asked what other mods. Think about it
Reguards Scott

imported_BoOsTd

well thats just it... noones going to start giving numbers out becasue they are irrelvent without knowing your engine..cam timing has to match your engines tuning state like your fuel tuneing, ecu, cams, exhaust, intake ect ect... somone can just come on here and say what they are setting, but it could be to far advanced for your setup causeing detonation. Its sketchy... noone wants to be responsable for your engine blowing up.

Adjustable cam gears are like you said a small peice of the puzzle for "custom" tuneing as is fuel pressure as is ecu tuneing. The only way to get it to work for you is on a dyno, or trial and error on the streets, which is illigal cuz u will be winding the car right out to get anysort of feel for whats going on...

you could just set it OEM settings, and advance it one degree at a time, leave the cover off, cuz your gonna play with it allot. Make sure to read your plugs.

Or if they are AEM gears they come with instructions and reccomended settings...

imported_BoOsTd

The biggest mistake you can make is to use someone else’s settings for your own engine. Each engine combo is slightly different, even on engines that appear to be the same, and only careful tuning (on a dyno, drag strip, or with gauges) will allow you to select settings that work well for your particular engine. You say no dyno, so adjust the gears until you reach maximum manifold vacuum. Generally speaking, advancing cam timing will increase cylinder pressures and low-end torque while retarding cam timing puts the bias toward the top end. A little-known tip for making cam-timing adjustments is to be very careful when advancing intake cams or retarding exhaust cams. These are the “dangerous” directions to move a cam because it can bring the valves very close to the pistons.


hope that helps

bbarbulo

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what a huge waste of money for something you don't intend to use.