4-2-1 vs. 4-1 header
#1
4-2-1 vs. 4-1 header
Hello,
First off I'm sorry if this topic has been covered a bunch of times.
I just bought a DC sports ceramic header for my SiR and I'm wondering if its better to get the 4-2-1 or the 4-1. I've heard that the 4-1 is better for high end torque with the b16a2??
Thanks for any help!
First off I'm sorry if this topic has been covered a bunch of times.
I just bought a DC sports ceramic header for my SiR and I'm wondering if its better to get the 4-2-1 or the 4-1. I've heard that the 4-1 is better for high end torque with the b16a2??
Thanks for any help!
#2
4-2-1 is usually cheaper and more midrang to top end power good for street use and its much easier to install than a 4-1 header
and a 4-1 is a one pice with better flow... more power noticeable in topend of your rpm's generally used for track
and a 4-1 is a one pice with better flow... more power noticeable in topend of your rpm's generally used for track
#4
Search is your friend
There should be no price difference between a header that is 4-2-1 vs a 4-1
4-2-1 is more mid range power
4-1 is for high end power
I think mid range power is more imporant than high end power
most likely for your application, you won't notice a difference between a 4-2-1 vs a 4-1
There should be no price difference between a header that is 4-2-1 vs a 4-1
4-2-1 is more mid range power
4-1 is for high end power
I think mid range power is more imporant than high end power
most likely for your application, you won't notice a difference between a 4-2-1 vs a 4-1
#5
.
Originally posted by b16civic
get either, you wont be able to tell the difference.
get either, you wont be able to tell the difference.
#6
Re: .
Originally posted by m power
. think about it for a second. if 4-1 headers make more power than 4-2-1, then why are the best headers on the market 4-2-1? has anybody heard of SMS, Hytech or DTR? they are the most serious headers on the market, and they are all 4-2-1, yet, everybody says 4-1 makes more power? somebody needs to do some research.
. think about it for a second. if 4-1 headers make more power than 4-2-1, then why are the best headers on the market 4-2-1? has anybody heard of SMS, Hytech or DTR? they are the most serious headers on the market, and they are all 4-2-1, yet, everybody says 4-1 makes more power? somebody needs to do some research.
4-2-1 and 4-1 usually dyno about the same throughout the powerband, except the 4-1 makes 2-3 more hp in the upper rpm range.
Most headers actually lose power... only a couple of them make about 5-8 hp overall. They could prolly make a little extra if the engine gets tuned. But before you buy (too late in your case), you need to look at some Honda Tuning, old Sport Compact Car magazines. Some of them do header shootouts and show dyno charts and all. I remember back in 99/00 when the SiR came out, there were LOTS of these comparos, headers, intakes, exhausts, cams, etc etc. Dig through some old issues of SCC.
#7
i have the best of both worlds.. i made my own flange to match my stock 4-2 piece header... but the "2" part begins at the flange.. but from there it goes to 1 i'll post a pic later.. but its really cool
#11
Re: Re: .
Originally posted by bbarbulo
someone needs to look at some dyno charts before they speak.
4-2-1 and 4-1 usually dyno about the same throughout the powerband, except the 4-1 makes 2-3 more hp in the upper rpm range.
someone needs to look at some dyno charts before they speak.
4-2-1 and 4-1 usually dyno about the same throughout the powerband, except the 4-1 makes 2-3 more hp in the upper rpm range.
#12
ummm...
Originally posted by My93Civic
Since you won't be able to tell the difference don't buy them at all. Everyone is just wasting money on a header.
Since you won't be able to tell the difference don't buy them at all. Everyone is just wasting money on a header.
#15
Output numbers are never the most important thing in creating power.
Power delivery IS
the shape of the power band and the throttle response.
you can have huge numbers but if takes you forever to produce them and the response isn't snappy then its pretty useless power in my books.
Power delivery IS
the shape of the power band and the throttle response.
you can have huge numbers but if takes you forever to produce them and the response isn't snappy then its pretty useless power in my books.
#17
m power, why bring up 10 sec drag cars in response to a question about a daily driven Civic? The difference between 4-2-1 and 4-1 is a subtle airflow difference which can distribute power into different parts of the powerband. A 4-1 header would be least restrictive so at high rpm and high flow it shows modest gains. This lack of restriction though will hurt a little in the low to mid range when the added backpressure, but overall high flow rate, of a 4-2-1 gives it a boost in the midrange.
Back to 10 second drag cars. The engine in a 10 decond drag car runs significantly differently than a stock b16. If you are talking about 10 sec NA civics then its a high revving motor which obviously would be better off with the 4-1 for the reasons stated above since you're going to be redlining it. A daily driver is going to spend most of its time at mid rpms though so a 4-2-1 would be better and faster for that application, unless you drive around at 6000+ rpm.
Back to 10 second drag cars. The engine in a 10 decond drag car runs significantly differently than a stock b16. If you are talking about 10 sec NA civics then its a high revving motor which obviously would be better off with the 4-1 for the reasons stated above since you're going to be redlining it. A daily driver is going to spend most of its time at mid rpms though so a 4-2-1 would be better and faster for that application, unless you drive around at 6000+ rpm.
#18
.
Originally posted by kane2k
m power, why bring up 10 sec drag cars in response to a question about a daily driven Civic? The difference between 4-2-1 and 4-1 is a subtle airflow difference which can distribute power into different parts of the powerband. A 4-1 header would be least restrictive so at high rpm and high flow it shows modest gains. This lack of restriction though will hurt a little in the low to mid range when the added backpressure, but overall high flow rate, of a 4-2-1 gives it a boost in the midrange.
Back to 10 second drag cars. The engine in a 10 decond drag car runs significantly differently than a stock b16. If you are talking about 10 sec NA civics then its a high revving motor which obviously would be better off with the 4-1 for the reasons stated above since you're going to be redlining it. A daily driver is going to spend most of its time at mid rpms though so a 4-2-1 would be better and faster for that application, unless you drive around at 6000+ rpm.
m power, why bring up 10 sec drag cars in response to a question about a daily driven Civic? The difference between 4-2-1 and 4-1 is a subtle airflow difference which can distribute power into different parts of the powerband. A 4-1 header would be least restrictive so at high rpm and high flow it shows modest gains. This lack of restriction though will hurt a little in the low to mid range when the added backpressure, but overall high flow rate, of a 4-2-1 gives it a boost in the midrange.
Back to 10 second drag cars. The engine in a 10 decond drag car runs significantly differently than a stock b16. If you are talking about 10 sec NA civics then its a high revving motor which obviously would be better off with the 4-1 for the reasons stated above since you're going to be redlining it. A daily driver is going to spend most of its time at mid rpms though so a 4-2-1 would be better and faster for that application, unless you drive around at 6000+ rpm.
#19
lol I misread, I thought you were pushing for 4-1 as better. As for me being mislead, I said everything that you did, i.e. better airflow at the limits of the engine for the 4-1 with reduced mid range gains, so we're on the same track. You just don't seem to think that there are well designed 4-1's out there. There are, and in certain cases the gains that they give at high rpms can offset their lack of midrange gains. Not always and not on every engine but my point is that the difference is small and the best choice depends on your application.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
FPMotorsports
Honda Civic (+ other) Parts/Accessories for Sale or Trade
0
14-Nov-2009 12:30 AM
drunkn_tyger
Honda Civic (+ other) Parts/Accessories for Sale or Trade
5
08-Jun-2006 03:26 PM
1DX2NV
Honda Civic Performance - JDM Discussion
10
15-Mar-2006 12:38 AM
CRXTC
Honda Civic (+ other) Parts/Accessories for Sale or Trade
7
22-Oct-2005 11:38 AM
civicsi1415
Honda Civic Performance - JDM Discussion
4
02-Jul-2003 12:00 AM