Mr. Death

Here's a great example of what good tuning can achieve on a stock d series motor. These numbers are just awesome. Click link http://www.epictuning.com/91civicsi.html

imported_loudsubz

only time before it blows

chris_si98

lol Matt, don't knock down D's..

what do you think we are putting in into my EK? lol

imported_loudsubz

Id say that about any motor. No doubt thats pretty good numbers, but on a stock block your only on borrowed time, specially with that much of an increase in power.

chris_si98

I didn't even bother to click the link until now. And I see what you meant

MugenJDMCRX

I agree with loudsubz even with good tuning 250+ whp isnt going to last too long on stock D series rods, not to knock the D series or anything but the B series are so accessible and cheaper than before, its almost pointless building up a D

chris_si98

I disagree. Build D's are not pointless. The money I would spend on a full b-series swap to reach 160whp would exceed 3000$.

To reach the same amount of power with a built D, I can do for under 2000$ and that's with it tuned. I'm actually in the process if putting a built D into my car soon.

I don't want to start another D vs. B debate again. I know b-series are better and have more potential but building a D is not pointless IMO.

imported_Thrill_House

Umm for $3000 I could have in excess of 300 whp on my stock b18a1 easy, its proven look it up. Hell you could probably do full B series swap including the price of the engine into an EF for example, buy a used nitrous kit and easily lay day well over 200 reliable whp, or for a little more you could boost it and make that power all the time plus you only have to buy the parts required for the swap once so if you blow up the b18 just run out and find another one for like 400 bucks and your laughin'. Anyway that just my opinnion, but you sure as hell can build up a D series cheap and make some kick *** power, theres a buddy of mine with a built boosted twin cam ZC running like 20 lbs of boost on his motor and he daily drives it!

chris_si98

Blair, I'm well aware that it's possible.

What I was talking about was say I purchased a b16a2 for around 2200$ full swap. I would be at 160hp to the crank. And with that 2200 i could have my build D put in and tuned.

With the build head/block that I'm buying I don't need to change all the things that add up such as the driveshafts/axles etc. Hell, I don't even need to change my y8 tranny.

I have a spending limit of 2000$ on my engine. Well atleast for this year. So b-series is out of the question..

I was going to start building an ls/vtec but unfortunately my d16 isn't going to last much longer so I need a swap quickly.

Mr. Death

Click link to see dyno chart.
http://forums.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=2017

imported_SilverSleeper

Why isnt it gonna last too long?

chris_si98

the blocks stock. That's too much power to be running on a stock block.

Mr. Death

In your opinion what is safe to run on a stock d series block?

LEITNER

you guys did see that the torque # is at the flywheel right? so where did he get the 225 whp from? i havent seen a dyno give you one number @ the crank and one @ the wheels on the same graph. something seems wierd.

that is alot of torque for little d series rods to handle, remembering that the d series rods are half the thickness of a b16 rod. i hope it stays together for the guy. i dont think i would try this setup.

Nova_Dust

That's nice number, but to be able to use it everyday, it is gonna be tough on the engine, I think.

imported_alwaysoverkill

nice, i love seeing turbo'd d series. with the money invested into a B18C swap for a 180hp, you can have a built D running 200+

a B18C5 is like $5000 installed or more, but a turbo/built D would destroy the B18C5 hp and torque wise.

Notorious

Sweet setup!

imported_Thrill_House

IMO swapping in a DOHC VTEC B series motor is a waste of money if your are just gonna boost it anyway, a Non VTEC B18 is dirt cheap and can make 300hp on stock internals and if you blow it who cares, go get another one for cheap! Plus to tune a VTEC Turbo engine is alot more work then a non VTEC motor.

imported_loudsubz

what do you mean tune a VTEC motor is harder?

Mr. Death

How so???