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VR6 or B16
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i know our club doesn't support street racing, and neither do i, but do you guys know if a Corrado with a VR6 could beat a 92 civic with a b16? my brother is a big VW fan, and I am trying to convince him that a VR6 is nice, but nothing beats maybe not a b16 but b18c5. he says VW rules and honda drules. Civics for life!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
VW:shooter:
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You talking a bone stock Corrado???
Against a 1st or 2nd gen B16A.. Corrado is about 15.5 in the quarter... Civic should run high 14's... :smoker: |
Hell no! A B16 in a civic could kill a Corrado VR6 in 1\4 mile, off the line the VR6 would win, but the Civic would win in the long run, how do I know? I used to have a Corrado Vr6, that is why I pimp the SiR now,.
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i gto a b16 in a my crx
vroom vroom! |
2nd gen b16 would beat a corrado definitly! but corrados are heavy
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Originally posted by d0pEy i gto a b16 in a my crx vroom vroom! |
i can't belive you sold it
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volkswagons:shooter: :shooter:
i hate volkswagons, but a stock b16 should blow the doors off a vr6, it's been done quite alot this summer:nods: |
If you’re going to run a stock corrado vr6 against a swap B16 then it's not fare
Allow the corrado to shave weight to match the civic and the VR6 will rip it a new ass Don't stack the odds just to make a civic look fast |
Originally posted by cluster If you’re going to run a stock corrado vr6 against a swap B16 then it's not fare Allow the corrado to shave weight to match the civic and the VR6 will rip it a new ass Don't stack the odds just to make a civic look fast A stock Corrado VR6 against a stock K20 |
who's talking about a K20?
it's VR6 vs B16 now you want to bring in a ringer? |
Originally posted by My Blue Si volkswagons:shooter: :shooter: i hate volkswagons, but a stock b16 should blow the doors off a vr6, it's been done quite alot this summer:nods: Personal experience...was driving my Accord "somewhere"...crusing at around 180Km/h...The Golf VR6 was side my side with me for 2 sec...then he downshift to 4th Gear...Vroom..gone in two seconds... Mugen C |
Hmm, interesting disscussion, I drove a VR6 in both a new Jetta, and in a GTI, plus I got to compare it to 1.8T.
VR6 is nice, regarless of the chassis. Has a lot of low end torque, can't get that kind of low end go from my B16. However, I'd still take my B16, why? it makes 100HP per liter stock, few engine manufactures can do that reliably enough to put it in a production car. The FEW others include the likes of McClaren and Farrari and those engines are A LOT more expensive. It has a high RPM (8000) it's all about knowing how to drive it, keep the revs high and keep it in the VTEC and it'll keep giving. When it comes top speed and highway cruzing, a B16 with a well educated driver can keep a lot of more expensive cars in the rear view mirror. Other things to consider: if it was a race competition, would these engines even be in the same class? V6 vs inline 4? 2.8L vs 1.6? All things to consider. I like Champ cars but they are no match for an F1 car. To sum up, B16, dirt cheap, easily swaped, 100 HP per L. Try that for a VW. I think that if Honda made the VR6 it'd be 280 HP not 200 and if VW made the B16 it'd be 90 HP with more torque. It's all about how you like your engines, low HP with "monstor truck pull" torque, or crazy high reving, high output "F1-ish" engine. Personally I think it's harder to make a stable high reving engine, that why I love Honda. |
What about VR6 vs ZC?
I know a particularly fast ZC |
Originally posted by echien However, I'd still take my B16, why? it makes 100HP per liter stock, few engine manufactures can do that reliably enough to put it in a production car. The FEW others include the likes of McClaren and Farrari and those engines are A LOT more expensive. To sum up, B16, dirt cheap, easily swaped, 100 HP per L. Try that for a VW. I think that if Honda made the VR6 it'd be 280 HP not 200 and if VW made the B16 it'd be 90 HP with more torque. I'm not flamming ya... just pointing out the obvious |
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Originally posted by old_si While Honda doesn't make a VR6, they do have a a few V6's... the 3.0L in accords and 3.2L in TL/CL and their Type S variants... and with your theory of how honda makes 100 Hp/L, the 3.0 and 3.2L prove your theory wrong... neither of them make close to 300 Hp.. I'm not flamming ya... just pointing out the obvious Look at the S2000 engine, makes OVER 100 HP per liter. THat's when they try. IMO I like the high reving engines, I think it's cool.:) VR6's are nice but they aren't my style. |
Originally posted by echien That's because they aren't trying, those cars are more toned down. Look at the S2000 engine, makes OVER 100 HP per liter. THat's when they try. They ARE trying... they just can't keep quality control high enough to mass produce a few million TL/Accord engines that make over 300Hp and provide the owner with warranty. Ever notice that the ITR engine is hand picked and handed tuned? Same with the S2k... |
displacment=win if all technology is equal...eg: chips, intakes,etc
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' know our club doesn't support street racing, and neither do i,'
WTF:D I owned you tonite:D :D :D :checkered |
**** that man.....i wasn't even going full out, and we're even anyway. i was worried about cops of course. the only thing you owned was my exhaust.:checkered
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'i wasn't even going full out, and we're even anyway. i was worried about cops of course. the only thing you owned was my exhaust'
Bollocks:D U wuz owned. Your stickers say DOHC, but your power says DX, baby:D :D :D Had you by a car length at Eglinton. :checkered :checkered :checkered |
boys settle down....by the way
stock vr6 172 hp stock b16aJDM 160 hp pretty close huh?....nope stock VR6= 175lbs torque stock b16= 111lbs torque and that is assuming that weights are the same |
new Vr6 is higher then that... i belive if memory is coorect.. 201HP...
Civic Chick... your the VW sales person... let us know... hahaha and to think i use t work there with ehr a week ago, and i cant even remeber... if i had to take any engine from VW it would be the 1.8T... that thing makes nice pwoer... and i know my H22 prelude can beat a VR6 corrago.. ive raced on... at a track of course:D |
VR6= torque 1.8t = cheap ugrades...but if i had a bigger wallet i would take the 6shooter....neuspeed supercharger and a fw other little toys and you pump sc'ed hondas all day long
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lol
i signed up here because i wanna make meets and stuff and yes my mom drives a honda vtec and its fast but ive been a vw fan since i was in grade 4 cuz my brother got me into it first of all i dont liek the sound of hondas exhaust it sounds garbage but when u take a corrado vr6 push a exhaust on that REMUS u will hear some sound and plus if you have a vr6 just bore it from 2.8 to 3.1 and u will be smoking any honda anytime u will have like 280-320HP
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well, last summer when i had my civic (had to sell it) which was a 91 dx hatch with a b16 I/H/E and a few other minor mods, i used to beat alot of cars. Vr6's are not that fast. I took type-r's, RSX type-s, 5.0l stangs(stock ones though), and a few vr6's. DO not underestimate the b16 in a fourth gen hatch. I do agree that the corrado might weight more, but i have beaten a golf with a vr6 aswell. But for who ever it was that said a chip in a vr6 would make bigger gains then a b16 which needed thousands of dollars to get big gains, no so. For the low price of $150, you could have your ecu chipped, mugen, spoon, or custom, plus $350 for a set of type-r cams, and waa laa. You now potentially have a high 13 sec car if you can drive. A stock B16 in a 4th gen civic hatch with I/H/E should run 14.7-14.9 easily at the track.
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Originally posted by 19civic91 well, last summer when i had my civic (had to sell it) which was a 91 dx hatch with a b16 I/H/E and a few other minor mods, i used to beat alot of cars. Vr6's are not that fast. I took type-r's, RSX type-s, 5.0l stangs(stock ones though), and a few vr6's. DO not underestimate the b16 in a fourth gen hatch. I do agree that the corrado might weight more, but i have beaten a golf with a vr6 aswell. But for who ever it was that said a chip in a vr6 would make bigger gains then a b16 which needed thousands of dollars to get big gains, no so. For the low price of $150, you could have your ecu chipped, mugen, spoon, or custom, plus $350 for a set of type-r cams, and waa laa. You now potentially have a high 13 sec car if you can drive. A stock B16 in a 4th gen civic hatch with I/H/E should run 14.7-14.9 easily at the track. go and drive a golf VR6 that has cams and all the same mods as your car and watch your self when you try to swallow th efoot that is in your mouth... guys i mean come on please IT IS A BETTER ENGINE plain and simple. more displacment = more potential more cylinders= smoother more consistant power forget al the **** you read in the magiznes and all the numbers you have figured out on the ricecop calculator just go drive them both and then answer this question for your self.... in my opinion RB26 is a sweet engine too...you guys wanna try to tell me that your 816's and frankenstine are going to PUMP those too?....good luck....how about 4age's and V-tec vs. TVIS....i have heard all the honda lover arguments i can take..if the VR6 had a honda logo on it and bolted into a EG6 you know half of you would have one in your garages right now.... stop trying to represent the hoda name and start representing the truth....(p.s. a stock tiburon can pump a stock civic for those that didn't know) |
If I had the money.. I'd drop in an M3 engine into my civic :D
Or maybe I'd drop a Lexus IS300 engine into my civic. :D:bounce: |
Well..................
For the guy who said they bought the SIR for 100HP/L that is just plain gay. Sorry.
The B16 is a great engine showing off the ability of Honda engineers to do great things with so little. What gets me is everyone thinks that domestic and other car manufacturers are not capable of these things. They place some of the Honda engines on these untouchable pedestol. Sorry. The B16 doesn't start making any decent power until like 5000RPM anyway = sucks for driveability unless you are winding her up. Domestic/Euro car engineers can do the same things as Honda engineers if they wanted to. But that is not their niche nor part of their market alure. They focus on other things to sell their cars. Yeah VR6's are no scream in hell anyway. Compare a 00 Gofl VR6 to a 00 SIR, likely the GOLF will win in the 1/4 maybe even longer. Why? Torque. Also cuz it is friggin difficult to launch a car that doesn't make any significant power until at least 5000RPM, while keeping the tires from spinning to all hell. So B16 is nice, so is VR6. The B16 has 160HP the VR6 has 172HP. Who really gives a **** about the HP/L?? |
Originally posted by audiophilia 'i wasn't even going full out, and we're even anyway. i was worried about cops of course. the only thing you owned was my exhaust' Bollocks:D U wuz owned. Your stickers say DOHC, but your power says DX, baby:D :D :D Had you by a car length at Eglinton. :checkered :checkered :checkered btw: isn't it spelt '0wn3D'? |
with a b16 it all depends on the driver
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b16 all the way!
i personally think high revving engines are WAY more fun to drive. especially after driving my friend's new 1.8T. even though that thing has decent torque it's not nearly as fun as driving my SiR and revving the hell out of it :thumbup: |
Originally posted by SiR-Racer b16 all the way! i personally think high revving engines are WAY more fun to drive. especially after driving my friend's new 1.8T. even though that thing has decent torque it's not nearly as fun as driving my SiR and revving the hell out of it :thumbup: |
have you seen the 25th Anniversary GTI 1.8T 6 Speed, my friend bought it that thing is fasst, he just got a turbo upgrade APR its crazy.
VW:kickass: |
explain please. what is a b16???? what does it mean.????
go easy on me remember im a newbie |
B16 is the engine available stock in the 99-00 Civic SIR here in Canada
DOHC VTEC Engine |
Originally posted by [1sL0CiviC] B16 is the engine available stock in the 99-00 Civic SIR here in Canada DOHC VTEC Engine Which is also the name of the dressed up civic in the Acura lineup (1.6/1.7 EL) Most B16 Hondas (The ones sold in North America) only comes with a standard tranny. |
What kind of engines can I put in a 99 si?
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