VR6 or B16
02-Sep-2002, 10:22 PM
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VR6 or B16
guys;
i know our club doesn't support street racing, and neither do i, but do you guys know if a Corrado with a VR6 could beat a 92 civic with a b16?
my brother is a big VW fan, and I am trying to convince him that a VR6 is nice, but nothing beats maybe not a b16 but b18c5.
he says VW rules and honda drules.
Civics for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i know our club doesn't support street racing, and neither do i, but do you guys know if a Corrado with a VR6 could beat a 92 civic with a b16?
my brother is a big VW fan, and I am trying to convince him that a VR6 is nice, but nothing beats maybe not a b16 but b18c5.
he says VW rules and honda drules.
Civics for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20-Sep-2002, 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by cluster
If you’re going to run a stock corrado vr6 against a swap B16 then it's not fare
Allow the corrado to shave weight to match the civic and the VR6 will rip it a new ***
Don't stack the odds just to make a civic look fast
If you’re going to run a stock corrado vr6 against a swap B16 then it's not fare
Allow the corrado to shave weight to match the civic and the VR6 will rip it a new ***
Don't stack the odds just to make a civic look fast
A stock Corrado VR6 against a stock K20
22-Sep-2002, 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by My Blue Si
volkswagons
i hate volkswagons, but a stock b16 should blow the doors off a vr6, it's been done quite alot this summer
volkswagons
i hate volkswagons, but a stock b16 should blow the doors off a vr6, it's been done quite alot this summer
Personal experience...was driving my Accord "somewhere"...crusing at around 180Km/h...The Golf VR6 was side my side with me for 2 sec...then he downshift to 4th Gear...Vroom..gone in two seconds...
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22-Sep-2002, 11:10 PM
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Hmm, interesting disscussion, I drove a VR6 in both a new Jetta, and in a GTI, plus I got to compare it to 1.8T.
VR6 is nice, regarless of the chassis. Has a lot of low end torque, can't get that kind of low end go from my B16.
However, I'd still take my B16, why? it makes 100HP per liter stock, few engine manufactures can do that reliably enough to put it in a production car. The FEW others include the likes of McClaren and Farrari and those engines are A LOT more expensive.
It has a high RPM (8000) it's all about knowing how to drive it, keep the revs high and keep it in the VTEC and it'll keep giving. When it comes top speed and highway cruzing, a B16 with a well educated driver can keep a lot of more expensive cars in the rear view mirror.
Other things to consider: if it was a race competition, would these engines even be in the same class? V6 vs inline 4? 2.8L vs 1.6? All things to consider. I like Champ cars but they are no match for an F1 car.
To sum up, B16, dirt cheap, easily swaped, 100 HP per L. Try that for a VW.
I think that if Honda made the VR6 it'd be 280 HP not 200 and if VW made the B16 it'd be 90 HP with more torque.
It's all about how you like your engines, low HP with "monstor truck pull" torque, or crazy high reving, high output "F1-ish" engine. Personally I think it's harder to make a stable high reving engine, that why I love Honda.
VR6 is nice, regarless of the chassis. Has a lot of low end torque, can't get that kind of low end go from my B16.
However, I'd still take my B16, why? it makes 100HP per liter stock, few engine manufactures can do that reliably enough to put it in a production car. The FEW others include the likes of McClaren and Farrari and those engines are A LOT more expensive.
It has a high RPM (8000) it's all about knowing how to drive it, keep the revs high and keep it in the VTEC and it'll keep giving. When it comes top speed and highway cruzing, a B16 with a well educated driver can keep a lot of more expensive cars in the rear view mirror.
Other things to consider: if it was a race competition, would these engines even be in the same class? V6 vs inline 4? 2.8L vs 1.6? All things to consider. I like Champ cars but they are no match for an F1 car.
To sum up, B16, dirt cheap, easily swaped, 100 HP per L. Try that for a VW.
I think that if Honda made the VR6 it'd be 280 HP not 200 and if VW made the B16 it'd be 90 HP with more torque.
It's all about how you like your engines, low HP with "monstor truck pull" torque, or crazy high reving, high output "F1-ish" engine. Personally I think it's harder to make a stable high reving engine, that why I love Honda.
23-Oct-2002, 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by echien
However, I'd still take my B16, why? it makes 100HP per liter stock, few engine manufactures can do that reliably enough to put it in a production car. The FEW others include the likes of McClaren and Farrari and those engines are A LOT more expensive.
To sum up, B16, dirt cheap, easily swaped, 100 HP per L. Try that for a VW.
However, I'd still take my B16, why? it makes 100HP per liter stock, few engine manufactures can do that reliably enough to put it in a production car. The FEW others include the likes of McClaren and Farrari and those engines are A LOT more expensive.
To sum up, B16, dirt cheap, easily swaped, 100 HP per L. Try that for a VW.
I think that if Honda made the VR6 it'd be 280 HP not 200 and if VW made the B16 it'd be 90 HP with more torque.
I'm not flamming ya... just pointing out the obvious
23-Oct-2002, 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by old_si
While Honda doesn't make a VR6, they do have a a few V6's... the 3.0L in accords and 3.2L in TL/CL and their Type S variants... and with your theory of how honda makes 100 Hp/L, the 3.0 and 3.2L prove your theory wrong... neither of them make close to 300 Hp..
I'm not flamming ya... just pointing out the obvious
While Honda doesn't make a VR6, they do have a a few V6's... the 3.0L in accords and 3.2L in TL/CL and their Type S variants... and with your theory of how honda makes 100 Hp/L, the 3.0 and 3.2L prove your theory wrong... neither of them make close to 300 Hp..
I'm not flamming ya... just pointing out the obvious
Look at the S2000 engine, makes OVER 100 HP per liter. THat's when they try.
IMO I like the high reving engines, I think it's cool.
VR6's are nice but they aren't my style.
23-Oct-2002, 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by echien
That's because they aren't trying, those cars are more toned down.
Look at the S2000 engine, makes OVER 100 HP per liter. THat's when they try.
That's because they aren't trying, those cars are more toned down.
Look at the S2000 engine, makes OVER 100 HP per liter. THat's when they try.
They ARE trying... they just can't keep quality control high enough to mass produce a few million TL/Accord engines that make over 300Hp and provide the owner with warranty.
Ever notice that the ITR engine is hand picked and handed tuned?
Same with the S2k...
