MPR

Hey, if you can build a d16 thats quicker than a stock b16 for less money than a b16 swap.... go for it!

Newbreed

JDM EG, can you confirm the issue of Honda Tuning Magazine that artical is in?

JDM EG

I HAVE THE MAGIZINE AT HOME, AND ILL GET THE ARTICAL AND SHOW YOU. ALL I KNOW ABOUT THIS ARTICAL IS ITS CALLED B-SERIES VS D-SERIES. "AND MY DOHC ZC PULLED ON A K20 CIVIC SO I DONT THINK ILL HAVE A PROBLEM DOING THAT WITH THIS BUILD, MORE POWER AND TORQUE. MR 360 VORTEX"
THANKS AGAIN:
KEVIN!

360_vortex

your dohc zc pulled on a k20 hybrid civic? assuming it's n/a vs n/a

impossible unless k20 owner doesn't know how to drive

RDub

I vote for a motion for you to come out and prove this

JDM EG

HEY, THE DATE OF THAT HONDA TUNNING MAGIZINE WITH THE ARTICAL "B-SERIES VS D-SERIES" IS MAY 2006. "AS SOON AS MY ENGINE IS BUILT MR. RDub,WE SHALL GO FOR A RIP DOWN A BACK ROAD SO I CAN PROVE IT!"
KEVIN!

360_vortex

you'll be lucky if you'll be pushing 160whp out of your zc

again...assuming we are n/a vs n/a, no way you can pull on a k20 hybrid civic

k20 got more power under the curve and better gearing ratios then your dohc zc....i'm just being realistic but if you are so confident i dont mind your challenge

JDM EG

AWSOME! THE CAR WILL MOST LIKELY BE ON THE STREETS IN JULY, IF NOT SOONER. NOW I HAVE A QUESTION FOR EVERYONE READING:
DO YOU GUYS THINK THAT AN AFTERMARKET CAM WILL GIVE ME MORE POWER OR A BIGGER HOLE IN MY POCKET? IS IT WORTH IT OR NOT?
AND IS IT POSSIBAL TH RUN 13:1 COMPRETION OUT OF A D-SERIES OR NOT? SOME SAY SO AND SOME SAY NO..... I NEED SOME INFO ON THAT!

THANKS:
KEVIN

starboy869

with your post it sounds like you don't know what your doing.

An aftermarket cam will make power, but depending on which stage you go with and of course the $$ in tuning afterwards.

Flashpoint-Matt

I agree with starboy.

If you don't understand how a different cam profile can benefit your engine and how it can interact with different modifications, how can you plan on making a certain HP number to the wheels.

Secondly, from the sounds of things, your ZC is stock at the moment and it pulled on a K20 civic? Something about that is hard to swallow.

starboy869

The only think I can think of is the driver of the K20 didn't know they were racing. roflol.

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

either that or it was the crappy base model k20 with 5spd tranny or an auto civic.
I doubt the good k20 everyone uses would lose to a DOHC ZC, the k20 makes way more torque and has 4 tenths more of a litre of displacement, not to mention VTAAAAK.....eye-vtaaaaak

RDub

vtaaaaaak in your eyeeee

MPR

I hope your having someone else actually build the motor that knows what they're doing....

If I didn't know what different cams will do in my engine, I wouldn't be building my own engine.

This is fairly basic engine mod info. The general rule is bigger cams = bigger power (to a degree and with the supportive mods to go with it, like built bottom end with balanced crank, balanced forged rods, balanced high compression pistons, p & p head, with valves/retainers, etc...the list goes on...)

ol Dusty

iTrader: (2)

not to jump on the hater wagon, but I had a bad experience trying to do what your going to do. I had a honda tech/engine builder, who has built several N/A D-series engines, build my D16Y8. We did everything by the book, we followed all the specs for things checked and re checked.
intake, 71mm tappered bore to 69mm matched up to the bore t/b on my Sk2 intake mani, AEM fuel rail, B&M fpr, injectors, walbro pump, P&P the head, crower st2 cam, valve spring and titanium retainers, AEM timming gear (left a 0) block was bored out 50 over, crank was knife edged/rebalanced, eagle rods and high comp pistons, wrapped header, Magna flow cat, sk2 N1 style cat back, Clutchmasters st2 dual force clutch, Fidanza 8lb flywheel, tranny from my old Z6, and a tunned ecu. running 94 octane. I even poly-inserts for all the mounts.

The good was the car pulled on an 05 BMtroubleU 535 across while ripping across the praries at 3am.

The bad was while sitting a stop light on a busy beautiful saturday afternoon at College and Bathurst it went from a slight lope at idle to a horrible clicking noise. I towed it in and ripped the head of (after sticking a fiber optic scope down the sparkplug holes) and saw a hole in my number 1 piston from the piston hiting the valves. Only 15k on the motor and it was an oversized paper weight.

learn from me, I belive the shop that did the head shaved too much off, but prove that was what killed it. screwing with the internals of a D is alot like NOS. your still doin a hot chick with std's so make sure you doulbe wrap that sh&t.

If you do go through with the build, DON'T shave anything. plane it if it needs it but don't shave it. With proper tunning the cams will help, if you add I/H/E , fuel managment etc. with what you have so far it won't really do much.

JDM EG

SO YOUR TELLING ME I SHOLD GO WITH A B-SERIES THAN? I HAVE THE B18A2 BOTTOM END AT HOME BUT DO YOU KNOW ANY ONE WITH A CHEAP DOHC VTEC HEAD 4 SALE?
BUT IM STILL GOING TO BUILD THAT N/A D-SERIES..... AND WIN THAT BET! I HAVE EVERYTHING FOR THAT BUILD EXCEPT FOR THE RINGS, BEARINGS AND AN AFTERMARKET CAM, SO I MAY AS WELL BUILD IT THAN. NOW ARE ZEX CAMS ANY GOOD? OR SHOLD I GO WITH A SKUNK2 CAM? THANKS FOR THE INFO DUSTIN!
THANKS AGAIN:
KEVIN

RDub

you're building your engine you'd probably see higher gains from the more aggressive zex SEVERE STREET / COMPETITION cam since the skunk2 cam description says its for an engine with just bolt ons..

MPR

Which specific cam are you talking about?

You can't just pick one random cam from one company and compare it to another random cam from another company...

Each company makes many different cams for many different levels of performance for each engine.

You need to pick a specific cam. If your going all-out with fully built bottom end and high compression, you could probably go with a race type cam. If your just doing bolt-ons, you'll have to go with a more mild street type cam, to get the most out of your set up.

RDub

there's only one d series skunk2 cam.. and only 2 d series zex cams so there's not much to compare there really.. the skunk2 cam is a mild cam made for boltons and zex has a mild cam and aggressive cam.. he'd probably see better results from the aggressive one since he's doing a full build.. although, I trust skunk2 more as a tuning company.. when I think zex I just think nitrous kits..

MPR

Ahh, I didn't realize they only made so few cams for the d series. I'm used to looking up cams for a b series and there are too many to list...lol.

I haven't heard much about zex cams, in fact I didn't even know they made cams. I'd be a little hesitant in using zex cams. I'd go with a better known company like blox, crane, comptech, skunk2, etc...

I'd do a very thorough search and compare all the cams out there from every company before making a decision on a cam. That way you can find the best cam for your setup.