Trybal

- Id toss the power steering, sometimes it gets anoyying without it, though it is very responsive.

- Solid mounts

- Replace the 5th gear with an Integra LS

- Lightened flywheel

- Stage 1 or 2 clutch

*I highly suggest to NOT go with the H22*

matt491

Stage one clutch I will be doing, whether I do it with the engine swap or not depends on how much the swap will cost me. Lightened fly wheel, is it better to do that when the engines out or does it matter? I.E. should I do it when the clutch is done, or when the swap is done.

After talking to a lot of people, I've decided not to go with the ls fifth. For what it might save me on gas, it's not worth the money to pay to have my tranny cracked open and have someone screw around with my gears...

As for the solid mounts, what's the benefit of these?

seanv98

Solid mount = Less engine flex and better transfer of power to the ground, plus they look much better than the factory ones. But they can be a bit pricey, you could always opt for inserts for the mounts. You would do the flywheel when you do the clutch, there is no point in doing one without the other if you are planning on doing both. When are you getting the swap done?

Trybal

Have all the work done while the motor is on the stand. Much less costly for labour.

matt491

I figured it would be cheaper to do it all together. only problem is how much can I afford. I have a tight budget.

As for the swap and getting it done, if I can afford it, as soon as my mechanic calls me back with a quote for the engine + install. I called friday and he said he'd make some calls and call me back sometime in the next day or two. I'll call tomorrow I guess just to touch base.

matt491

UPDATE!

Rick10, I'd like to know where you went to get those prices....here's what I just got from my mechanic.

Now keep in mind, included in these prices is COMPLETE engine, fluids, all lines and everything, they're all under 35000 miles AND come with a complete guarantee from their source, meaning if they get the engine and install it and the compression is off or something goes on it, they pull it out and get me a new one no charge.

B18C Type R w/lsd tranny - $3700
B18C GSR - $2700
B16 - $2200
B16 tranny w/lsd - $1000
B20B - $450.

Full install (solid install, check over everything and a full clean of the engine and engine bay) - $700-$800.

All sounds about what I was expecting. I knew Torontojdm was a bit high on their prices. This all sounds more reasonable, as much as I was hoping rick10 was right and a type r would be closer to 2500. Looks like I have a bit more saving to do...

One last question though, my mechanic when I asked him what he'd choose, he said if you want basic power and have fun with it, type R's are insane. But in his car, he ran a b10b, type r conversion with a short tranny and said it was mad quick.
I did some research on the b20b. The type r revs nearly TWICE as high as the b20? But he said it's got torque so it's faster in the low rpm's anyway, so you don't need to rev high.
Anyone here with a b20 swap? What do you think of it?

I'm still leaning toward the type r. A grand difference between the type r and the gsr makes sense to me, for a TRUE 20hp gain. I mean, think how much you'd spend to try and make 20hp. Cams alone with install and tune would be $1500. Intake manifold and exhaust manifold would be over a grand.

Opinions?

Oh and I also called tiger direct. Their prices were (full swap, no guarantee's)
b18c type r /lsd tranny - $4000
b16a 2nd gen w/hydro tranny - $2350

MyVtecGoesBWAH

i have a buddy with a b20 with the type-r head.its very quick.

matt491

Hmm..good to know I guess. I'm still leaning heavily towards the type r. The internals are much better than any of the other engines. To me, it seems worth the extra grand.

BlitzSix

You can get a FULL swap with tranny, engine, low miles, all hoses for $450 for a b20b? Where do I sign up?

Or is there no tranny there?

matt491

Sorry, forget to mention that one is no tranny. He told me if I go that way, I can go hydro for around 5-600 or less and lsd for around a grand

rick10

umm I m going by there tomorrow ... I m going to talk to the guy again , and get you the address and phone #...

I m starting to think he may of made a mistake but i highly doubt it because i can clearly remember him saying full swap...And he showed me the engine , it was def a type r engine and i remember seen it all the hoses there ...

However i m not sure if the tranny was included ... I ll ask tomorrow

I ll get back to you tomorrow on this one ...

matt491

Thanks man. That would make much more sense if the tranny wasn't included...type r tranny's are pricey..

$3700 for a type R full swap w/lsd tranny plus the peace of mind of having their guarantee on it seems like a great deal to me! Maybe i'm crazy. Only thing I forgot to ask is if it was a USDM or JDM type r.....I'd much prefer a jdm, they apparently have higher compression ratios due to different internals they use in japan. (the pistons I think).

rick10

3700 labour included? not bad ... Like i said i ll go tomorrow since i have to go to my old job to pick up something . The type r they had was def jdm because they also have the d15b which is jdm... I m starting to think the lsd tranny may not be included but i will find out ...

matt491

Sorry for misleading you, that's $3700 w/o install. Install my guy told me would be between 700 and 800. But I've seen some of the swaps they've done, it's the cleanest install I've ever seen, not wires everywhere, things looking messy. Comes with a guarantee on the motor and their guarantee on the work, plus they do a full clean and tune up on the motor and engine bay in that price.

In my opinion, it's very fair. But I still think $3700 for the engine and lsd tranny is very fair. Without the tranny, the engine alone would be closer to $2000-$2500 range. Which is what your guy told you.

let me know what he says. If they can do it cheaper and the engines are legit and not with cut wires and hoses, I'll give them a call.

subsonic-civic

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Im actually looking into this as well, for when my d16y8 dies.
I was under the impression that with any swap, you would not be able to keep AC, or at least where it is currently located.

Just curious, i know ur prob aiming for more low end torque, but have you considered going turbo with a d16? d16's are cheap. throw in a turbo kit, get a proper tune, and with stock internals i've heard of many ppl getting 200whp. if u build it im sure you could squeeze much more from it. Best part, if engine blows, you could just replace it since they're so cheap.

Right now im just researching which route to go myself.

F8i

iTrader: (10)

I have a B18C ITR (not a GSR!!) in my 96 Hatch. It's fast... it's very fast. The redline is scary and I have never hit it. I've reached 210km/h. I paid about $6200 for the B18C and S80 tranny (ecu, cv, mounts, etc.)

If I were to do it again... I love the type R, but I would build a B20Vtec with a GS-R crank & Rods, High compression pistons (Wiseco), and use a Type R (Skunk2 Pro Stage 1, or Brian Crower) or GS-R Cams.

Stick with the awesome S80 transmission. That would cost less than a type r, have wicked torque, and be extremely fast.

I'm open for PM's, too.

matt491

I've had a few people now say b20 vtec, only thing that's really holding me back is I know jack all about motors. I know the BASICS. So I can't build it myself, and I can't really expect a mechanic to build it for me without giving him some guidelines. But I have none to give. I don't know about hi comp pistons or cranks and rods and stuff.
The type r is fast and reliable. Period. Straight plug and play, it's simple.
Plus the 98 spec has higher compression, bit more power, and a 4.8 final drive, vs the 97 and below which has a 4.4 final drive.

I'm still in for a 98+ B18C type r

seanv98

What's the mileage on your current motor? If the motor is still running mint, make sure you get it back, that way you can sell it. Or if they keep it, make sure they knock a few hundred off the price.

rick10

ok i went to the place today... As it turned out the kid that gave me the price was all wrong.. I got the same price as you except the type r belongs to a 96... 3500 with LSD tranny .

Now that i think about it , i could of make money that day , the owner wasnt there and the kid was going to give it to me for 2400 with the lsd tranny LOL... This time i went the owner was there , he apologized and said that the guy made a mistake in the price ...

UBYISTEL

k24a2, Rsx 6spd, kpro 2 hours on the dyno 218 whp no bolt on's stock block head tranny etc......with even the R you going to have to spend some good money to even 200whp. Go K., think about it the last year of any production b series was almost a decade ago.