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11-Apr-2008, 11:38 AM
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See FiveO, that is information that should be posted in a thread for everyone to see. can you post the link to where this info. can be found. IMO, the fact that you can be punked at any time wether you are legal or not is very aggravating. If we as drivers are held to such strict guideline, those enforcing those guidelines should be accountable for their actions. such BS... what happened to your dad Leitner is rediculous. The cop was just doing his job right... ya w/e
11-Apr-2008, 11:48 AM
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See FiveO, that is information that should be posted in a thread for everyone to see. can you post the link to where this info. can be found. IMO, the fact that you can be punked at any time wether you are legal or not is very aggravating. If we as drivers are held to such strict guideline, those enforcing those guidelines should be accountable for their actions. such BS... what happened to your dad Leitner is rediculous. The cop was just doing his job right... ya w/e
11-Apr-2008, 02:27 PM
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I like seeing the arguments people post showing their "knowledge" of the law. There is text book law, and there is real law. Of course if everything worked by the book maybe you could say something smart in your defense to get away with whatever. But pretty much every cop that knows anything knows ways to get around one law with another law or previous case law. The best thing to do in any situation with a cop is to be calm, polite, and not give em lip.
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11-Apr-2008, 05:48 PM
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actually no they cant. cops cant do **** if your on private property aslong as your not disturbing the peace via noise. they can only do something if the property owner or management gives them the right too. i can do donuts and burn outs all day long infront of cops and they cant do **** unless someone from a neighbouring property complains about noise but they cant give me tickets for unsafe driving etc...matter of fact i dont even need a licence, insurance, plates etc to drive my car either
12-Apr-2008, 08:15 PM
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You didn't say that.
You said -> "A cop cannot search inside your car without a warrant either, that’s why they try to use flash light and peak around your car from the outside."
Answer to that, despite what your prof told you, is that the law defines specific circumstances where a search warrant is not needed to search a car.
Ontario Highway Traffic Act s79.(3) A police officer may at any time, without a warrant, stop, enter and search a motor vehicle that he or she has reasonable grounds to believe is equipped with or carries or contains a speed measuring warning device contrary to subsection (2) and may seize and take away any speed measuring warning device found in or upon the motor vehicle. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.
Ontario Liquor License Act s32.(5) A police officer who has reasonable grounds to believe that liquor is being unlawfully kept in a vehicle or boat may at any time, without a warrant, enter and search the vehicle or boat and search any person found in it. R.S.O. 1990, c. L.19, s. 32 (5).
Yes, the following one applies to private cars as well. It just elaborates on the extent of police powers to search and detain you and your car and contents, all without warrant if alcohol is suspected to be in your car in contravention of the law.
Ontario Liquor License Act 44.1 (1) For any purpose relating to the administration and enforcement of this Act, the Liquor Control Act and their regulations, any person authorized by the Registrar who has reasonable and probable grounds to believe that a vehicle, a vessel, railway equipment on rails or an aircraft contains evidence of a contravention of any of those Acts and regulations, (a) may, without warrant, stop and detain the vehicle, vessel, equipment or aircraft;
(b) may examine its contents, including any cargo, manifests, records, accounts, vouchers, papers or other documents that may afford evidence as to the contravention; and
(c) subject to subsection (2), may seize and take away any of the manifests, records, accounts, vouchers, papers or other documents and retain them until they are produced in a court proceeding. 1994, c. 18, s. 5 (4); 2006, c. 34, s. 16 (52).
The next one has been used to stop and search private cars coming from native reserves with untaxed cigarettes. While really intended to combat criminal distribution of untaxed tobacco, it has been used as grounds to search private vehicles based merely on the presence of a lone pack of untaxed smokes in open view.
Ontario Tobacco Tax Act s24. (1) For any purpose relating to the administration and enforcement of this Act and the regulations, any person authorized for the purpose by the Minister who has reasonable and probable grounds to believe that the vehicle, trailer attached to a vehicle, vessel, railway equipment on rails or aircraft contains evidence of any contravention of this Act, (a) may, without warrant, stop and detain any vehicle, including any trailer attached to the vehicle, any vessel, railway equipment on rails or aircraft;
You also said -> "They cannot check under your hood without your consent".
Answer to that is also in law.
HTA s82.(2) Every police officer and every officer appointed for the purpose of carrying out the provisions of this Act may require the driver of any motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle to stop, move the vehicle to a safe location as directed by the police officer or officer and submit the vehicle, together with its equipment and any vehicle drawn by it, to the examinations and tests that the police officer or officer may consider expedient. 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
"Expedient" includes checking under the hood if the cop has any questions as to mechanical fitness of components that can only be seen with the hood open.
HTA s82.(8) The driver of a vehicle submitted for examinations and tests as required under subsection (2), (3) or (4) and any other person in charge of the vehicle who is present shall, if directed by a police officer or officer appointed for the purposes of carrying out the provisions of this Act, assist with the examinations and tests of the vehicle and of its equipment. 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
You can argue and object that you do not consent, but a cop doesn't need your consent. You are obligated to assist as necessary in that inspection, including opening the hood.
Offence
HTA s82.(9) Every person is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $1,000 who,
(a) refuses or fails to comply with a requirement made under subsection (2), (3), (4), (5), (8) or (12); or
(b) contravenes an order or prohibition made under subsection (12). 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
After you've finished objecting, extra tickets in hand, you then risk watching your car get towed away for inspection. There may well have been nothing wrong with your car at all, but seeing as you wouldn't "consent" to a roadside inspection, they'll just do it somewhere else. Meanwhile, you may find yourself walking.
Don't believe me? Ask around about the experiences of those stopped for roadside inspections under the ERASE programs over the past couple of years.
And you said -> "when the cops greets you, you greet them back but ask them this "officer on WHAT REASONABLE GROUNDS was I pulled over".
A cop doesn't need "grounds" to stop you if you are driving a vehicle on a public roadway and every cop knows that. Greet a cop like that and all he'll see is a smart *** challenging him.
He'll be sure to look extra hard at you and your car, all within the bounds of the law but exercising the full latitude provided to him by the law. If he issues you any tickets, he'll make extra sure to ensure every t is crossed, every i is dotted, that his notes and evidence are impeccable for when the legal ace sitting in your car goes to court, and he'll be sure to take his sweet time doing it while you sit waiting in your car smug in your "knowledge" of the law.
This is real law and I can back it up with examples from case law where the courts have consistently upheld searches and inspections of vehicles without a search warrant. If a cop really wants to look under your hood or inside your car, there are plenty of legal ways for the cop to achieve that goal.
You said -> "A cop cannot search inside your car without a warrant either, that’s why they try to use flash light and peak around your car from the outside."
Answer to that, despite what your prof told you, is that the law defines specific circumstances where a search warrant is not needed to search a car.
Ontario Highway Traffic Act s79.(3) A police officer may at any time, without a warrant, stop, enter and search a motor vehicle that he or she has reasonable grounds to believe is equipped with or carries or contains a speed measuring warning device contrary to subsection (2) and may seize and take away any speed measuring warning device found in or upon the motor vehicle. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.
Ontario Liquor License Act s32.(5) A police officer who has reasonable grounds to believe that liquor is being unlawfully kept in a vehicle or boat may at any time, without a warrant, enter and search the vehicle or boat and search any person found in it. R.S.O. 1990, c. L.19, s. 32 (5).
Yes, the following one applies to private cars as well. It just elaborates on the extent of police powers to search and detain you and your car and contents, all without warrant if alcohol is suspected to be in your car in contravention of the law.
Ontario Liquor License Act 44.1 (1) For any purpose relating to the administration and enforcement of this Act, the Liquor Control Act and their regulations, any person authorized by the Registrar who has reasonable and probable grounds to believe that a vehicle, a vessel, railway equipment on rails or an aircraft contains evidence of a contravention of any of those Acts and regulations, (a) may, without warrant, stop and detain the vehicle, vessel, equipment or aircraft;
(b) may examine its contents, including any cargo, manifests, records, accounts, vouchers, papers or other documents that may afford evidence as to the contravention; and
(c) subject to subsection (2), may seize and take away any of the manifests, records, accounts, vouchers, papers or other documents and retain them until they are produced in a court proceeding. 1994, c. 18, s. 5 (4); 2006, c. 34, s. 16 (52).
The next one has been used to stop and search private cars coming from native reserves with untaxed cigarettes. While really intended to combat criminal distribution of untaxed tobacco, it has been used as grounds to search private vehicles based merely on the presence of a lone pack of untaxed smokes in open view.
Ontario Tobacco Tax Act s24. (1) For any purpose relating to the administration and enforcement of this Act and the regulations, any person authorized for the purpose by the Minister who has reasonable and probable grounds to believe that the vehicle, trailer attached to a vehicle, vessel, railway equipment on rails or aircraft contains evidence of any contravention of this Act, (a) may, without warrant, stop and detain any vehicle, including any trailer attached to the vehicle, any vessel, railway equipment on rails or aircraft;
You also said -> "They cannot check under your hood without your consent".
Answer to that is also in law.
HTA s82.(2) Every police officer and every officer appointed for the purpose of carrying out the provisions of this Act may require the driver of any motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle to stop, move the vehicle to a safe location as directed by the police officer or officer and submit the vehicle, together with its equipment and any vehicle drawn by it, to the examinations and tests that the police officer or officer may consider expedient. 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
"Expedient" includes checking under the hood if the cop has any questions as to mechanical fitness of components that can only be seen with the hood open.
HTA s82.(8) The driver of a vehicle submitted for examinations and tests as required under subsection (2), (3) or (4) and any other person in charge of the vehicle who is present shall, if directed by a police officer or officer appointed for the purposes of carrying out the provisions of this Act, assist with the examinations and tests of the vehicle and of its equipment. 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
You can argue and object that you do not consent, but a cop doesn't need your consent. You are obligated to assist as necessary in that inspection, including opening the hood.
Offence
HTA s82.(9) Every person is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $1,000 who,
(a) refuses or fails to comply with a requirement made under subsection (2), (3), (4), (5), (8) or (12); or
(b) contravenes an order or prohibition made under subsection (12). 1999, c. 12, Sched. R, s. 14.
After you've finished objecting, extra tickets in hand, you then risk watching your car get towed away for inspection. There may well have been nothing wrong with your car at all, but seeing as you wouldn't "consent" to a roadside inspection, they'll just do it somewhere else. Meanwhile, you may find yourself walking.
Don't believe me? Ask around about the experiences of those stopped for roadside inspections under the ERASE programs over the past couple of years.
And you said -> "when the cops greets you, you greet them back but ask them this "officer on WHAT REASONABLE GROUNDS was I pulled over".
A cop doesn't need "grounds" to stop you if you are driving a vehicle on a public roadway and every cop knows that. Greet a cop like that and all he'll see is a smart *** challenging him.
He'll be sure to look extra hard at you and your car, all within the bounds of the law but exercising the full latitude provided to him by the law. If he issues you any tickets, he'll make extra sure to ensure every t is crossed, every i is dotted, that his notes and evidence are impeccable for when the legal ace sitting in your car goes to court, and he'll be sure to take his sweet time doing it while you sit waiting in your car smug in your "knowledge" of the law.
This is real law and I can back it up with examples from case law where the courts have consistently upheld searches and inspections of vehicles without a search warrant. If a cop really wants to look under your hood or inside your car, there are plenty of legal ways for the cop to achieve that goal.
”A cop doesn't need "grounds" to stop you if you are driving a vehicle on a public roadway and every cop knows that. Greet a cop like that and all he'll see is a smart *** challenging him.”
What you posted
“Ontario Highway Traffic Act s79.(3) A police officer may at any time, without a warrant, stop, enter and search a motor vehicle that he or she has reasonable grounds to believe is equipped with or carries or contains a speed measuring warning device contrary to subsection (2) and may seize and take away any speed measuring warning device found in or upon the motor vehicle. 1996, c. 33, s. 12.”
“What I said, if you know you haven’t done anything wrong, i.e are not giving any reason for doubt, THE COP CAN’T TO **** TO YOU” “she has reasonable grounds to believe” this is why you ask them first, if you belive you haven’t done anything wrong.
Stop acting like a cop
What you posted
Ontario Liquor License Act s32.(5) A police officer who has reasonable grounds to believe that liquor is being unlawfully kept in a vehicle or boat may at any time, without a warrant, enter and search the vehicle or boat and search any person found in it. R.S.O. 1990, c. L.19, s. 32 (5).
^^ are you // or what.
What you said
“Yes, the following one applies to private cars as well. It just elaborates on the extent of police powers to search and detain you and your car and contents, all without warrant if alcohol is suspected to be in your car in contravention of the law.”
^^again RESONABLE DOUBT.
”Ontario Liquor License Act 44.1 (1) For any purpose relating to the administration and enforcement of this Act, the Liquor Control Act and their regulations, any person authorized by the Registrar who has reasonable and probable grounds to believe that a vehicle, a vessel, railway equipment on rails or an aircraft contains evidence of a contravention of any of those Acts and regulations, (a) may, without warrant, stop and detain the vehicle, vessel, equipment or aircraft;
(b) may examine its contents, including any cargo, manifests, records, accounts, vouchers, papers or other documents that may afford evidence as to the contravention; and
(c) subject to subsection (2), may seize and take away any of the manifests, records, accounts, vouchers, papers or other documents and retain them until they are produced in a court proceeding. 1994, c. 18, s. 5 (4); 2006, c. 34, s. 16 (52).”
^^^ did you just copy and paste from the HWY ACT website, read before you do that next time.
“Ontario Tobacco Tax Act s24. (1) For any purpose relating to the administration and enforcement of this Act and the regulations, any person authorized for the purpose by the Minister who has reasonable and probable grounds to believe that the vehicle, trailer attached to a vehicle, vessel, railway equipment on rails or aircraft contains evidence of any contravention of this Act, (a) may, without warrant, stop and detain any vehicle, including any trailer attached to the vehicle, any vessel, railway equipment on rails or aircraft;”
omg im getting bored already.
BTW if cops used this to check other things or as a trick to check the car people who know their rights can sue the police, if they can prove reasonable doubt was used wrongly.
Don't believe me? Ask around about the experiences of those stopped for roadside inspections under the ERASE programs over the past couple of years. << this is for modded ricer cans.
What you said
“A cop doesn't need "grounds" to stop you if you are driving a vehicle on a public roadway and every cop knows that. Greet a cop like that and all he'll see is a smart *** challenging him.”
“He'll be sure to look extra hard at you and your car, all within the bounds of the law but exercising the full latitude provided to him by the law. If he issues you any tickets, he'll make extra sure to ensure every t is crossed, every i is dotted, that his notes and evidence are impeccable for when the legal ace sitting in your car goes to court, and he'll be sure to take his sweet time doing it while you sit waiting in your car smug in your "knowledge" of the law.”
You must be ...
Hahah benefits of your friends mother being a judge.
“This is real law and I can back it up with examples from case law where the courts have consistently upheld searches and inspections of vehicles without a search warrant. If a cop really wants to look under your hood or inside your car, there are plenty of legal ways for the cop to achieve that goal.”
Thanks for proving how cops manipulate the system, that’s why I say we all should get fast motorcycles and never stop for them, either way its bad.
eh who picks a board name "Five0" a
Last edited by usdm; 12-Apr-2008 at 08:58 PM.
13-Apr-2008, 01:48 AM
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You can talk all the law and bull**** that you want, the bottom line is if your driving a modded car and you meet the wrong officer and you give him attitude, you can threaten him with a suit blah blah blah, he will still impound your car and if and when you do get it back, you better hope its in the same shape as it was and parts arent "missing". Oh and yeah goodluck driving that car again. The officer will make it his duty to pull you over all the time and im sure other members of the force will know about that kid who "drives that Honda with that fartcan who thinks hes so smart". How are you planning to prove that you werent speeding, didnt run a stop-sign, are not running a modified exhaust. The bottom line is you will NEVER one-up the police, especially not if you drive a modified import, the best thing to do is kiss major *** and not act like a punk with attitude.
13-Apr-2008, 03:56 AM
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Listen sunshine, you can think anything you want about how you "didn't do anything wrong", but you're not the one making that call once the cop lights you up. The cop determines if he or she has grounds to stop you for any specific suspected infraction, not you. The cop decides if your car is going to be searched or inspected and for what reasons, not you.
The bonus kicker is the cop doesn't even need grounds or a specific infraction at at all to stop you for a documentation check. That applies to ricers, junkers, stockers, and bikers equally. Once he has you stopped for that, the cop has added opportunity to look you over for all sorts of other things.
It's nice that you think that fast motorcycles and not stopping for the cops is a potential answer. That says loads about your character. It also suggests something about your potential life expectancy.
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13-Apr-2008, 11:07 AM
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dam guys (FiveO,usdm) chill out. yall hav bin throwing haymakers in text form for a week now. lol seems like both of yall need a vacation. Or better yet, some 1-on-1 time with your significant other. We're all supposed to be on the same team here. Furthermore, the law is the law so your opinions on the subject are just that, opinions. Not tryn to be rude but opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one, some stink and some dont. Just agree to disagree. Those of us that didnt or dont kno as much are becoming a lil confused.
O and I figured it had bin posted before but thx for putting the HTA link up again FiveO
O and I figured it had bin posted before but thx for putting the HTA link up again FiveO
13-Apr-2008, 01:49 PM
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actually no they cant. cops cant do **** if your on private property aslong as your not disturbing the peace via noise. they can only do something if the property owner or management gives them the right too. i can do donuts and burn outs all day long infront of cops and they cant do **** unless someone from a neighbouring property complains about noise but they cant give me tickets for unsafe driving etc...matter of fact i dont even need a licence, insurance, plates etc to drive my car either
Cops can pulled you over for whatever reason , even if they just dont like you, you can ask all you want and they can make up any reasons for pulling you over , simple as that. Technically they need a valid reason but it does not happen that way many times, actually most cops would not pulled you over if you havent done anything wrong but there are always ****** (cops) out there that will pull you over for driving a mod car.
It is like any job , there are rules , etc ,etc ,etc , but at the end of the day you are free to break them without getting caught ( some rules). Pulling over someone is like me going on a smoke break , its not writting but my boss does not care.
In the other hand , cops can not beat you up or shoot you for not reason , (some may do) but that is something you can take to court and prob win.
13-Apr-2008, 04:23 PM
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you can do all that in your property meaning ( backyard, friends backyard, etc) , however if you are in a parking lot you can not do that in front of cops , even if the management does not complaint . I want to see you doing all that in an empty parking lot and see what happens. If a cop is there he will surely pull you over.
Even if it's private property, if the property is generally open to uncontrolled public access that might be endangered by such driving, or if there are others present at the time in even a closed-off lot that might be endangered, you could be nailed for dangerous driving under the Criminal Code.
Regardless of public access, you could also be cited under city noise bylaws whether someone complains or not.
With Bill 203, the situation could get even murkier. Bill 203 includes a provision that permits the government to make regulations extending the HTA to cover other places open to general public access by vehicle traffic, such as parking lots and roads in malls, stadiums, private parks, etc.
Those new regulations can be made in committee by bureaucrats and would never have to go to public debate or vote by MPPs.
13-Apr-2008, 04:39 PM
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You can talk all the law and bull**** that you want, the bottom line is if your driving a modded car and you meet the wrong officer and you give him attitude, you can threaten him with a suit blah blah blah, he will still impound your car and if and when you do get it back, you better hope its in the same shape as it was and parts arent "missing". Oh and yeah goodluck driving that car again. The officer will make it his duty to pull you over all the time and im sure other members of the force will know about that kid who "drives that Honda with that fartcan who thinks hes so smart". How are you planning to prove that you werent speeding, didnt run a stop-sign, are not running a modified exhaust. The bottom line is you will NEVER one-up the police, especially not if you drive a modified import, the best thing to do is kiss major *** and not act like a punk with attitude.
Hhahah since you like kissing so much *** kiss mine and shut up. People with self respect don't kiss anyones ***.
Oh I get it! You seem to think that's the magic pass phrase!
Listen sunshine, you can think anything you want about how you "didn't do anything wrong", but you're not the one making that call once the cop lights you up. The cop determines if he or she has grounds to stop you for any specific suspected infraction, not you. The cop decides if your car is going to be searched or inspected and for what reasons, not you.
The bonus kicker is the cop doesn't even need grounds or a specific infraction at at all to stop you for a documentation check. That applies to ricers, junkers, stockers, and bikers equally. Once he has you stopped for that, the cop has added opportunity to look you over for all sorts of other things.
It's nice that you think that fast motorcycles and not stopping for the cops is a potential answer. That says loads about your character. It also suggests something about your potential life expectancy.
Listen sunshine, you can think anything you want about how you "didn't do anything wrong", but you're not the one making that call once the cop lights you up. The cop determines if he or she has grounds to stop you for any specific suspected infraction, not you. The cop decides if your car is going to be searched or inspected and for what reasons, not you.
The bonus kicker is the cop doesn't even need grounds or a specific infraction at at all to stop you for a documentation check. That applies to ricers, junkers, stockers, and bikers equally. Once he has you stopped for that, the cop has added opportunity to look you over for all sorts of other things.
It's nice that you think that fast motorcycles and not stopping for the cops is a potential answer. That says loads about your character. It also suggests something about your potential life expectancy.
And since you have been acting thick and dumb like a PIG, trying to twist my main point that if a person hasn't done anything wrong and they believe so they have the right to ask the cop for reasonable grounds, you seem to imply drivers can't do that, and cops can do anything they want, without following their rules, you just proved one you are a cop, 2 only a stupid cop backs up their way of thinking, so its alright for cops to break the law and not right for a driver to use his rights.
Buddy how long do you think a system like this will last.
The only thing anyone determines anything is God
go be a hero somewhere else. It clearly shows you are defending cops and im drivers, i could careless what a cop does to bend the laws, everyone knows they are pigs. and pigs will always be that.
And where the #$%^ is this
"Originally Posted by usdm
Blathered"
stop manipulating paper work pig.
dam guys (FiveO,usdm) chill out. yall hav bin throwing haymakers in text form for a week now. lol seems like both of yall need a vacation. Or better yet, some 1-on-1 time with your significant other. We're all supposed to be on the same team here. Furthermore, the law is the law so your opinions on the subject are just that, opinions. Not tryn to be rude but opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one, some stink and some dont. Just agree to disagree. Those of us that didnt or dont kno as much are becoming a lil confused.
O and I figured it had bin posted before but thx for putting the HTA link up again FiveO
O and I figured it had bin posted before but thx for putting the HTA link up again FiveO
Last edited by usdm; 13-Apr-2008 at 04:50 PM.
13-Apr-2008, 07:10 PM
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Hey buddy i drive a porsche 911 turbo, im not a ricer. As for the police, its funny how you claim things, especially when i have never had my car impounded, and i have asked cops the reason why they pulled me over.
Hhahah since you like kissing so much *** kiss mine and shut up. People with self respect don't kiss anyones ***.
Sunshine eh, now i really think you are a PIG, listen here PIG, you are either with them or us, and the way you speak you sound like a pig. Guess what once a PIG always a PIG. What you think a cop is GOD.lol i'd like to see a cop **** around with me.
And since you have been acting thick and dumb like a PIG, trying to twist my main point that if a person hasn't done anything wrong and they believe so they have the right to ask the cop for reasonable grounds, you seem to imply drivers can't do that, and cops can do anything they want, without following their rules, you just proved one you are a cop, 2 only a stupid cop backs up their way of thinking, so its alright for cops to break the law and not right for a driver to use his rights.
Buddy how long do you think a system like this will last.
The only thing anyone determines anything is God
go be a hero somewhere else. It clearly shows you are defending cops and im drivers, i could careless what a cop does to bend the laws, everyone knows they are pigs. and pigs will always be that.
And where the #$%^ is this
"Originally Posted by usdm
Blathered"
stop manipulating paper work pig.
Hey i have no problem, but i get fishy feeling Five0 loves pigs too much.Even for my tastes
Hhahah since you like kissing so much *** kiss mine and shut up. People with self respect don't kiss anyones ***.
Sunshine eh, now i really think you are a PIG, listen here PIG, you are either with them or us, and the way you speak you sound like a pig. Guess what once a PIG always a PIG. What you think a cop is GOD.lol i'd like to see a cop **** around with me.
And since you have been acting thick and dumb like a PIG, trying to twist my main point that if a person hasn't done anything wrong and they believe so they have the right to ask the cop for reasonable grounds, you seem to imply drivers can't do that, and cops can do anything they want, without following their rules, you just proved one you are a cop, 2 only a stupid cop backs up their way of thinking, so its alright for cops to break the law and not right for a driver to use his rights.
Buddy how long do you think a system like this will last.
The only thing anyone determines anything is God
go be a hero somewhere else. It clearly shows you are defending cops and im drivers, i could careless what a cop does to bend the laws, everyone knows they are pigs. and pigs will always be that.
And where the #$%^ is this
"Originally Posted by usdm
Blathered"
stop manipulating paper work pig.
Hey i have no problem, but i get fishy feeling Five0 loves pigs too much.Even for my tastes
13-Apr-2008, 08:08 PM
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You just dont get it do you, im done with this thread, I never said anything about you being a ricer and thats great than you have a 911 Turbo. People who are smart will respect authority even if they feel its not correct, you can call me an *** kisser if you want but if thats what it takes to not have my baby that I busted my *** for 5 years, not taken away from me then so be it. I have self-respect, looks like you dont respect the people who protect you, I would love to tell an officer to go F himself but thats not going to get me anywhere and calling them pigs certainly wont either.
what every they do there are those who do their job and protect people, what my simple point that no one seems to get through their head is this, and I’ll explain the scenario so people feeling so protective understand where im coming from on this topic.
I agree to what you said that in order to protect what you built you have to listen to others sometimes, but *** kissing is crossing the line, I will only be called this or that for a pieces of material up to a limit. So I do understand what you mean, we all have been there where we get told off by our bosses, but knowingly staying quiet when you know that your getting screwed over, is called coward ness, we all have free will and no one should have to give it up to enjoy a Honda civic.
Now to my example, lets say im an average Joe, younger perhaps, driving in my mothers ford 2007 Taurus, I know im not modded, I know my car is not old, I know I don’t have anything illegal or assume to look like that i.e. (driving 10km) under the limit, cops think people who do that way are carrying drugs, believe it or not. (At a time later at night of course) anyways and its 8pm im heading home, though im wearing a ball cap, and dressed, well, like a younger person, and I get pulled over, knowing I follow speed limits, and I wasn’t speeding(someone said how do you know, well there is a law when you pass your driving test, change your view every 5 seconds, and look at your speedometer every 10 seconds) so if you FOLLOW the LAW yourself you will know how fast you were going) anyways you, now have the right the cop to ask what the reasonable grounds for pulling him over, the cop will either explain his concern or if there is nothing he was just profiling he will ask to see your driver licences or this happened to me once, just any ID. lol and then the cop will be on his way.
Once I got pulled over by an undercover cop car for almost running a light as the intersection the cop was right beside me on the left while we were waiting for the green light, I even knew that, but while on coming traffic was still in turn signal mode, (I was extremely exhausted from work)I go straight before I realise its still red for us, though when it turns green I knew the cop was going to pull me over so I slowed down and let him, he pulls me over and asked what happened there, I said sorry officer, I know I made a mistake, im just very exhausted from the last few stressful days at work. He asked me for my drivers license, went to his car opened the door while looking at my DL and suddenly just came back gave me the license said drive safely, have a nice day and left, I though I was on candid camera but, I guess he just didn’t want to work, it was probably the passenger cop who said forget it we are getting off now, so I got a free pass. I suspect this because they never left in a hurry they just casually went off and 2km down pulled into peel police station.
Another scenario, say now im driving my summer civic with full body work and mods, duh, off coarse I know im going to get pulled over, on this case I do not ask, I can but I know the cop no matter what has a reasonable doubt to pull me over, one could be the mod on my car.
So I hope you all understand what I was trying to say, especially FIVE 0.
Last edited by usdm; 13-Apr-2008 at 08:14 PM.
13-Apr-2008, 09:14 PM
#38
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Mississauga
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no, no, no, I don't mean to say I disrespect cops, I agree some are ******, but majority of them are okay, I certainly don't go around pulling fingers at police officers,i respect anyone who respects me regardless if they are a cop or not, but just like another person random(non cop) I hate people(cop or not) who act like they control the world.
what every they do there are those who do their job and protect people, what my simple point that no one seems to get through their head is this, and I’ll explain the scenario so people feeling so protective understand where im coming from on this topic.
I agree to what you said that in order to protect what you built you have to listen to others sometimes, but *** kissing is crossing the line, I will only be called this or that for a pieces of material up to a limit. So I do understand what you mean, we all have been there where we get told off by our bosses, but knowingly staying quiet when you know that your getting screwed over, is called coward ness, we all have free will and no one should have to give it up to enjoy a Honda civic.
Now to my example, lets say im an average Joe, younger perhaps, driving in my mothers ford 2007 Taurus, I know im not modded, I know my car is not old, I know I don’t have anything illegal or assume to look like that i.e. (driving 10km) under the limit, cops think people who do that way are carrying drugs, believe it or not. (At a time later at night of course) anyways and its 8pm im heading home, though im wearing a ball cap, and dressed, well, like a younger person, and I get pulled over, knowing I follow speed limits, and I wasn’t speeding(someone said how do you know, well there is a law when you pass your driving test, change your view every 5 seconds, and look at your speedometer every 10 seconds) so if you FOLLOW the LAW yourself you will know how fast you were going) anyways you, now have the right the cop to ask what the reasonable grounds for pulling him over, the cop will either explain his concern or if there is nothing he was just profiling he will ask to see your driver licences or this happened to me once, just any ID. lol and then the cop will be on his way.
Once I got pulled over by an undercover cop car for almost running a light as the intersection the cop was right beside me on the left while we were waiting for the green light, I even knew that, but while on coming traffic was still in turn signal mode, (I was extremely exhausted from work)I go straight before I realise its still red for us, though when it turns green I knew the cop was going to pull me over so I slowed down and let him, he pulls me over and asked what happened there, I said sorry officer, I know I made a mistake, im just very exhausted from the last few stressful days at work. He asked me for my drivers license, went to his car opened the door while looking at my DL and suddenly just came back gave me the license said drive safely, have a nice day and left, I though I was on candid camera but, I guess he just didn’t want to work, it was probably the passenger cop who said forget it we are getting off now, so I got a free pass. I suspect this because they never left in a hurry they just casually went off and 2km down pulled into peel police station.
Another scenario, say now im driving my summer civic with full body work and mods, duh, off coarse I know im going to get pulled over, on this case I do not ask, I can but I know the cop no matter what has a reasonable doubt to pull me over, one could be the mod on my car.
So I hope you all understand what I was trying to say, especially FIVE 0.
what every they do there are those who do their job and protect people, what my simple point that no one seems to get through their head is this, and I’ll explain the scenario so people feeling so protective understand where im coming from on this topic.
I agree to what you said that in order to protect what you built you have to listen to others sometimes, but *** kissing is crossing the line, I will only be called this or that for a pieces of material up to a limit. So I do understand what you mean, we all have been there where we get told off by our bosses, but knowingly staying quiet when you know that your getting screwed over, is called coward ness, we all have free will and no one should have to give it up to enjoy a Honda civic.
Now to my example, lets say im an average Joe, younger perhaps, driving in my mothers ford 2007 Taurus, I know im not modded, I know my car is not old, I know I don’t have anything illegal or assume to look like that i.e. (driving 10km) under the limit, cops think people who do that way are carrying drugs, believe it or not. (At a time later at night of course) anyways and its 8pm im heading home, though im wearing a ball cap, and dressed, well, like a younger person, and I get pulled over, knowing I follow speed limits, and I wasn’t speeding(someone said how do you know, well there is a law when you pass your driving test, change your view every 5 seconds, and look at your speedometer every 10 seconds) so if you FOLLOW the LAW yourself you will know how fast you were going) anyways you, now have the right the cop to ask what the reasonable grounds for pulling him over, the cop will either explain his concern or if there is nothing he was just profiling he will ask to see your driver licences or this happened to me once, just any ID. lol and then the cop will be on his way.
Once I got pulled over by an undercover cop car for almost running a light as the intersection the cop was right beside me on the left while we were waiting for the green light, I even knew that, but while on coming traffic was still in turn signal mode, (I was extremely exhausted from work)I go straight before I realise its still red for us, though when it turns green I knew the cop was going to pull me over so I slowed down and let him, he pulls me over and asked what happened there, I said sorry officer, I know I made a mistake, im just very exhausted from the last few stressful days at work. He asked me for my drivers license, went to his car opened the door while looking at my DL and suddenly just came back gave me the license said drive safely, have a nice day and left, I though I was on candid camera but, I guess he just didn’t want to work, it was probably the passenger cop who said forget it we are getting off now, so I got a free pass. I suspect this because they never left in a hurry they just casually went off and 2km down pulled into peel police station.
Another scenario, say now im driving my summer civic with full body work and mods, duh, off coarse I know im going to get pulled over, on this case I do not ask, I can but I know the cop no matter what has a reasonable doubt to pull me over, one could be the mod on my car.
So I hope you all understand what I was trying to say, especially FIVE 0.
Normally a cop would not pull you over for not reason , so even if you ask the magic question he will still give you any reason he can came up with to pull you over, and he will still search your car if he suspects you have drugs or something , even if you ask question and you try to explain the law to him , easy as that. Most people are trying to tell you that, it is not about being a coward or a kiss as s , botton line is question or not question a cop will always win.
Like I said , usually it would not happen if you drive like a normal person and have a car that looks stock , however THERE ARE always ****** cop s out there that can pull you over for ANY reason they can come up with.
Cops study the law , they know ways around it. Do you actually think you are the only person asking a cop the magic question?? , cops seen it before and they know what to say ( unless he is a new cop or something) .
A cop can pull you over and said that they are searching your car because someone called the station saying a car (same model and colour) has drugs and that they need to search it. What are you going to tell them ? that they can not search your car???.
there are so many things a cop can tell you as reasons to pull you over that go beyond you having a mod car or careless driving
As per someone saying that you can do donuts in a parking lot with the cops in front of you , haha I would really want to see that.
I got pulled over at a empty parking law ( warehouse parking lot) for going fast. No ticket , but a warning
13-Apr-2008, 09:41 PM
#39
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 494
Wow, I have to say, you legal ace you, that you have me there. I didn't know about that "law" and I'll bet nobody else here does either. You knowing about such a law really shines a spotlight on the depths of your legal beagle knowledge.
Seeing as you know this law so well, could you be so kind as to provide us with a direct reference to this law? I'd like to see the specific reference to 5 seconds, 10 seconds, and what you have to do in a leap year. Do point out the HTA reference so we all can see.
Feel free to get help from your boyfriend's mother if you're not up to completing the task by yourself.
