Polkaroo Killa

Smart ***.

bbarbulo

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you're like a retarded child, so i didn't want to waste my time arguing with you when i want to engage FiveO in an intelligent and interesting debate. most cops are pretty cool ppl, and some of them are even car enthusiasts... I wanna get to know where FiveO comes from....

but since others may actually take your 'facts' as actual facts, I will present to you a simple scenario that even your feeble mind will comprehend.

i have in my hand 3 cans. 1 full can of coke (representing a stock cat), 1 empty can of coke (representing a hollowed out cat), and lastly an empty open can of peas or something larger than a coke can (this will represent a heat shield).

now, i can tap the full can and determine it's full. i can tap the empty can and determine it's empty. now, place the open can of peas over the full can and tap it, then over the empty can and tap it. can you tell by tapping the can of peas which can is under it? the full can or empty can?

kingjames1983

I wasn't trying to be a smart *** PS you swore and I just got ban threat for that... lol whatever. Anyways when you come back with a repsonse like his especially when he is wrong then yeah someones going to lash back. Between the piping and the shield of the cat its filled which is where the somewhat valuable metals are in stock cats. If you hollow it, the filling all comes out for the most part. Healing hollowing metal is a lot different then hearing a hollow spot in the wall like his sarcastic response stated. They dont do a formal check that way.. it just gives them enough of a reason to make you get it check from the MTO... especially if your leaving a place such as a massive car show. Its kind of like getting a ticket for your exhaust being to loud. They cant tell but they give them out anyways.
If you would be happy, I can bring you my stock civic cat and one that is hollowed out and if you cant hear the difference then your either deaf or dumb.

bbarbulo

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if you were to be banned it woudn't be for swearing, that's why we have censorship on here ****. <--- see! you'd be banned for being obnoxious and disruptive w/o ever having been helpful to anyone.

look, if you think you can tap on a heat shield and tell the contents of the cat, then great. i gain nothing from convincing you otherwise. please go away, you're ruining the thread.

kingjames1983

you ruined your own thread... not me
plus you have mod powers... clean it up

bbarbulo

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just had to lock in the stupidity before any editing...

carry on.

bbarbulo

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not a chance... i wanna savour your stupidity.

kingjames1983

see instead of looking it up your assuming.
the stock cat on a civic has a heat shield but its right up tight to the inner shell therefore you can tell by tapping on it. A common way around this is filling it with sand after you hollow it. If you were thinking about an aftermarket magna flo cat then you are right and the heatshield and the inner core has space and would give a hollow sound all the time like you said.
I can get pictures if you want

bbarbulo

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so now we have an understanding. that's better. except that no valuable metals are between the heat shield and the case of the cat... it's nothing but air... that's the premise of insulation. the valuable bits you mention are the platinum or rhodium usually found inside in the metal matrix... but that's inside the cat.

ok now you made me go look up a cross section pic.



the air between the heat shield and cat body would make it sound hollow either way.
but anyone hollowing out a cat is a dummy anyways, the increase in chamber volume would cause a reduction of velocity of gasses, essentially creating a lake in the middle of a rapid stream... that would slow down flow and just be totally counter productive. It's a terrible thing to do if you want performance.

kingjames1983

in other words not all cats have a heat shield like the one I was describing to you. its just filling with a shell like so



but I was describing my stock cat which does not have a heat shield and is solid when you tap it so explain all you want but you are still wrong

and here si a better example because I know your a little slow

kingjames1983

Nice quote by the way... couldn't expect anything more from such a mature TCC Mod. Some are nice and easy to get a long with and then you get tools like yourself. You do know there are 2 different types of cats at least. We are both right... I stated that before... but some dont have heat shields... jsut have an outter shell.

bbarbulo

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i thought you'd like that quote; after all you wrote it

haha it's like talking to a wall. I'm done... need groceries.

kingjames1983

man I understand what you are saying but a stock civic cat doesnt have a heat shield.
My magnaflo does.... if you gut a stock dx/si/type r cat, its going to sound hollow.
and dont worry the feeling is mutual

Polkaroo Killa

I once got a good drum beat by tapping a wrench on a hollowed cat. I wonder if it would sound the same with a heatshield around it?

bbarbulo

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wish i had pics of my cat... but yeah it's cast iron w/ heat shields

look, this thread was for officers to help us understand what they would pull cars over for. not for you to have a half limp erection over catalytic converters. do you understand now why i didn't want to get into this discussion with you?

kingjames1983

ok then make a new thread or go back and delete it.
You whinning about things that can easily be fixed. Do you want me to do it for you or something? I'll make the the new thread if you want!
I thought you were getting groceries anyways? now your fridge is going to be empty

driven905

You 2 guys should come to the meet this Wednesday to get things straighted out! hehe

kingjames1983

I'd never carry anything from a forum to real life. I am pretty sure hes a nice guy and after this thread... I dont really care anymore in another one.

Nova_Dust

Don't mean to argue about the cat. issue, but CTR/ITR cat. does have removable heat shield. Though often gets rusted at the bolts and ultimately falls off.

FiveO

Well, there's a difference between a modestly lowered vehicle and one that has been slammed right down as far as it can go. The slammed stance may be appropriate for a race track, but is entirely impractical and potentially unstable for normal road use.

Comparing neglected vehicles with vehicles specifically modified beyond reasonable limits is also misguided.


Well, no. The owner is not an impartial arbiter in such a matter. An owner who wants to do something to their vehicle will always find a way to rationalize (at least to themselves) why they should be allowed to do it.

Your argument is like saying that everyone should be free to decide on their own the adequacy of their driving skills, how they drive, and even what laws they want to follow or not.

That method of setting standards effectively means that no standards would ever be set. Everyone would be free to do as they please without repercussion. Think hard now on how this free-for-all might affect your drive home.

There has to be standards set and enforced for the good of all on the roads. If someone's ridiculously slammed car hits a rough road and then bounces into MY lane, that's person's choices have now affected me, perhaps catastrophically.


I don't enforce the law. I just agree to abide by it because I've lived in places where there is no law, and understand the importance of law in establishing a meaningful quality of life.

Spend whatever you want on a car, but just understand what the end goal of what the car will be. Ultimate show cars are often little more than design exercises that the creators know can never realistically be driven on public roads. If your intent is to have a drivable creation, current laws still give you plenty of freedom to do things up. A buddy of mine just finished building a one-of-a-kind variation on a Cobra kit car that is incredible to look at, but totally street legal, totally usable and tractable enough to be driven on any road surface.