Type_R Del Sol

Here's the scoop; I play highschool soocer for cardinal newman, we had a tourny at Ivory Winn on thursday, so after the long day my cuzin tells me he cant drive his car (1985 BMW 325e its pretty nice) he tells me his legs hurt and he has a bad migrane so he told me 2 drive his car. So i made 1 of my other buddies drive my van and i drove his car. So we r on his way 2 his house and hes lyin down in the back elevating his foot b/c it was swollen, so as im drivin on ridge road I was gettin really pissed off with this car infront of me it was going 2 slow 4 my liking. So wat i did was waited until we got around the bend and i passed the car and continued and i merge to the other lane i see the trap 2 the rite of the road so i brake and the cop holds up a line of 3 ppl including myself. He tells the other to 2 go and points at me 2 pull aside. O GREAT MY FIRST TICKET, so he **** over and gives us the shpell; hes like do u know u were doing 120 in a 60 i was like AHHH NO, so i tell the officer i dont have my license with me cuz i didnt expect 2 drive its in my car, im just drivin my cuz home cuz he broke his foot so im trying 2 get him home fast as possible, cop says thats no excuse so he proceeds to 2 write me the ticket i got 109 in a 60 $359 and 4 points. I didnt know wat 2 do or say i was just scared 2 go home and have 2 face my father. The cops says i really should of got a $600 ticket and 6 points which mean license suspension since im only a g2 driver, but in 9months this was my first offence!!!! He continued 2 tell me that i passed the person infront of me on a double solid line. I told him tho, it was important i got him home quickly thats the reason. The tight thing was i was about literally 4 sec away from his house. Thats wat pissed me off... and he didnt even give me a ****in break after the story i told him, the reason i took it in2 consideration was b/c hes friends of the family so i tried 2 do my best 2 get him home quickly. Now the cop made a mistake on the ticket he put down the wrong address, and i heard that in sum cases tickets can be waved 4 that reason. I made an appointment at POINTS 2 visit a friend and see wat he can do 2 get the ticket taken away or reduced. Leaving me with only 2 points 4 2 years is going to be hell i need it cut down 2 only 2 point.

Another thing is how much time do u have 2 pay the ticket once it has been issued i dont want 2 get n e thing in the mail or my parents will find out and they will DESTORY ME!!!!

Can n e 1 help me out here, its very serious I almost lost my license 4 this.......

thanks

Anthony

iam_immigrant

i think everyone is gonna tell you to fight it and that you were stupid to be driving like an idiot with only your G2 but **** happens.

So fight the ticket. If you plan on paying (pleading guilty) you should just stop driving now cuz insurance is gonna go thru the roof.

I don't know if you're gonna get anything in the mail cuz when i booked a court date for mine (may 8 2004) something came in the mail telling me when and where. But since you're gonna go thru Points (which everyone says is ****) don't know if they mail you anything.

GL

Type_R Del Sol

you ur saying im screwed? or there is still hope

imported_Torrey

Fight it but your ****ed in the *** hardcore.

The insurance is going to murder you now.

Type_R Del Sol

how?

motti

The insurance hot for the 49-over speeding ticket is the same as for a 15-over ticket. The only difference is the points.

But you're not going to be able to drop the 49-over 4-point ticket down to 0 points. The best you'll get is a reduction to a three point speeding offence. Either way, the insurance hit is the same, and the difference in points collected negligible.

But Pointts will be happy to take your money regardless.

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

LOL...yah fight it....the fact is though...even though ur gonna think i'm a ***** or something..........ur ****ed...either way u look at it.....first you got ur g2, and it's ur fault u didn't have ur license on you?...as i understand?.....u should have gotten a ticket for that too. . . but the cop was nice...let u off with that....i'm assuming?...from what i've read.....anyway.....yah first of all u don't do stupid things when ur driving...passing on a line that u know u shouldn't be passing on......when other drivers are going slow, there is a reason for that.....i see it all the time....whenever i drive to school......i know u know the area....cause u were close to ur house......but it'z funny to see.....i go to Sheridan and therez a little school right by it, and the speed limit is 40, kids fly down that road, and it's sooo funny cause i know there'z speed traps there all the time, so i always stick to 40, and ppl behind me get soo pissed, and then switch lanes and blast off, it'z funny cause then they slow down look at you, and then gun it, and then u just see there brake light come on, and there car attempt to slow down, and then they get waived to the side, rather funny i must say.

In your case, it's ur first lesson learned, if ur gonna go fight it urself, bring up the fact that your young, and it's a life lesson, that u've learned and u'll never do again. Be honest, honesty is the best way to fight tickets, cause the JP's have heard it all, be urself and they'll see it.

or just hire urself a paralegal

Cynikal.Mindset

who died and made you king of the road? and since you have your G2 and if you are fully convicted on this ticket there is a possibility that your insurance company will send you packing

consider yourself lucky as you got 2 breaks on the spot, no license and reduced from 120 in a 60 to 109 in a 60

imported_Torrey

Exactly

If you get hit with this ticket, as soon as your insurance gets notified of it you'll most likely get cancelled. Once that happens, usually no-one else will pick you up.

And insurance companies DO keep everything you do on file for at least 6 years. I heard this straight from an insurance company.

Type_R Del Sol

who died and made you king of the road? and since you have your G2 and if you are fully convicted on this ticket there is a possibility that your insurance company will send you packing

consider yourself lucky as you got 2 breaks on the spot, no license and reduced from 120 in a 60 to 109 in a 60

The reason was he thought he had a broken foot so i needed to get him home fast as possible i didnt mean that...

So basiclly im screwed.....

When does the insurance get wind of this,,,, so i can get prepared to face my father

mmmbrownie

hey bro... live and learn eh? i'm 23 and i pay 625 a month for my SIR which i just decided to sell today, cause of doing stupid stuff when i was a little younger. insurance is the biggest scam of them all, they have us by the *****, and you'll be with the rest of us soon.. i agree i with some of the other posts, you can either fight it all the way, or just pay and suck it up...but the one thing is, why are you so scared of your dad? it's not really his right to kill you over one ticket..maybe a DUI, but not speeding.. it happens to everyone, just learn from it i guess

iam_immigrant

you should definitely fight it!! if you fight and win you're down a few hundred but at least you still have insurance and rates wont go up.

but if you fight and lose well...that's another story.

if you know you can't win then suggest to attorney to plead guilty with reason (broken foot thing)

best of luck.

Type_R Del Sol

ya i was thinking that

Gallagher

BuD

motti

Pretty lame excuse...

In your first post you say he had a bad headache and a sore foot. Now it's a broken foot?

Let's say it really is a broken foot. You also say you were literally 4 seconds away from the house when you got pulled over. That suggests that when you started your banzai move that you may have been maybe 10 seconds away from the house.

If it was so critical to get him home that mere seconds should count for so much, then you really should have been headed directly to a hospital, and in an ambulance at that. But you didn't take that route, did you? The only "emergency" here is your emergency need for an excuse to to explain your getting caught at such a speed.

If you choose to fight this ticket, I do hope you come up with a better excuse than that, because the judge is going to see right through it. The judge is also going to hear evidence from the cop's notes, and those notes will state the speed that you were actually caught doing along with a notation that the ticket was reduced at the cop's discretion.

imported_kane2k

If you do end up fighting the ticket, which I see as your only realistic option, do not, I repeat do not, come up with some lame excuse and expect to get off the ticket. If you mention in court that you were driving that fast then its an automatic guilty. The only way you will win in court is if the cop doesn't show up or you can convince the judge that the cop has no proof that you were speeding.
You said that the cop pulled 3 people over. Unless you were the first one in line then he probably didn't get your car on radar. This can be of assistance in convincing the judge that you are innocent. Your friend with the broken foot is irrelevant in court and since you mentioned that to the cop you're probably screwed since he will look at his notepad where he wrote down everything that you said that he deemed relevant. You said you told him your friend was hurt and you were trying to get him home as soon as possible, hes going to quote you on that in court, if he's smart, and you will be in quite a hole since the judge will believe him.

Moral of the story: If a cop pulls you over just shut the **** up. "yes, sir" "no, sir", take the ticket and drive off.

imported_~ILLEST CIV~

Well said.....

Don't be affraid to face ur dad though man....well u should be...cause i'd be ****ting my pants too.....but like...it'z true......u live and u learn....everyone gets that one speeding ticket.....then u go home and start to learn the law..LOL

my suggestion.....tommorow on ur lunch period, go to the closests points, or any other paralegal aka "TICKET FIGHTING PPL" lol............and see what they can do for u....it'z a free consultation....and they will tell u exactly what they can do for u and if u like what u hear......start savin that money up......LOL

Good Luck man

motti

Not necessarily. This guy was doing 120 in a 60. That means that until he actually caught up to them, there would have been considerable gap between him and the slower cars in front which were probably driving somewhere close to the speed limit given that they were not detained by the radar cop.

Depending on the positioning of the cop, even ordinary radar should have been able to pick out a car far separated from a group of slower cars in front. Laser-radar, which uses a telescopic gunsight for aiming, is much more accurate and can be accurately aimed at a license plate almost a kilometre away. It would definitely have the accuracy and differentiation ability to identify one speeding car out of even a closely-spaced pack of cars.

On top of that, there is an issue of police radar training. As part of radar training, cops are trained to be able estimate speed by eye. The radar reading backs up the cop's visual estimation of speed. The cop will get up on the stand and say that he saw a car that appeared to be doing twice the speed limit and coming up fast behind a much slower group of cars that he had already observed and maybe even clocked as doing close to the speed limit. The cop will then say that his radar reading confirmed the estimated rate of speed of the faster car coming up behind them.

At that point the judge will almost certainly convict and hang Del Sol boy, and Del Sol boy will have even more reason to be pissed off. Only thing is, he should be pissed off with himself, and no other.

iam_immigrant

I read in an article about fighting speeding tickets in Ontario that the ordinary radar guns that they use cannot track a single moving target in a group. Like a tarcking feature. The officer has to manually move the radar to track the target. So if Type_R Del Sol was moving within a group of cars it's hard for the officer to say that he is CERTAIN that the reading was for Type_R Del Sol ONLY. Of course I believe this ONLY works IF they were all traveling at the same speed (which I don't think they were, but the situation that I was in when I got pulled over)

Cuz if the radar can't track a single target how can the officer say for certain that it wasn't the car in front, behind or beside (if it applies)

motti

That article is based on the older radar systems. In the GTA, you will see these radar units mounted inside the police cruisers for fixed and moving radar duty, and you'll also see them in hand-held, pistol-type radar guns.

But for stationary radar trap duty, the weapon of choice is the tripod-mounted laser-radar, and there are a lot of these in use in teh GTA. The new laser-based systems literally paint a dot on the target. If the dot in the viewfinder is on a car, the speed you are getting back is the speed of that car. You can literally track a single car out of many in close proximity to each other.

Even if the older radar unit was being used, in the hands of an experienced operator it would be child's play to differentiate between two slower-moving cars and one doing twice their speed coming up behind them.

In fact, the fact that this guy was doing twice the speed limit certainly implies that there was a significant gap between him and the slower moving cars, otherwise he would have mowed right through them. If there was a significant gap, and there must have been based solely on speed differential, even the older style radar would have no problem picking him out long before he ever caught up to the slower traffic.