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Old 07-Jun-2011, 02:55 PM
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Subaru flips at cayuga


I don't understand how they did this. They were going quite slow and those bales of hay aren't that close to the fast line coming out of that corner.... Lack of experience?

Still entertaining anyways. Glad everyone was ok.
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Old 07-Jun-2011, 03:14 PM
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Watch again when he comes around the corner, he took it way to wide, tried to oversteer to correct and with his wheels pointing to the right he drive up the hay bales and concrete wall, and yes lacking alot of experience lol

This has to be the only example ever of when AWD isnt good to have haha
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He was like the only one in the correct driving line. I just blame bad hay bale placement
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Old 07-Jun-2011, 11:09 PM
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^I beg to differ. I'm a firm believer in late-apexing as being the fastest line. After 20-30 laps of this track at the C7 event (never lapped there before), I found the quickest line out of the last corner was putting me nowhere near the hay bales. If you're way out there, you're still turning way too much, imo.

I guess you and I have different preferences of technique. :P
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Old 07-Jun-2011, 11:35 PM
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He was like the only one in the correct driving line. I just blame bad hay bale placement
Maybe if there wasnt 5+ cars infront of him and it was a time attack possibly, but the speed he took that corner as wide as he did wasnt safe at all, the hay bales were placed right outside the line clearly visible on the track the pavement is light and dark in the corner and he went into the dark too fast. I blame bad driver placement lol
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Old 08-Jun-2011, 10:28 AM
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I can't watch the vid cause I'm at work and youtube's blocked but you guys do need to take into account that the "correct" line for a AWD may be different then the FWD or MR cars you guys usually drive.
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Old 08-Jun-2011, 11:31 AM
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Once you see the video you might change your mind on that one, again, this isnt a time attack, doesnt matter what car engine drivetrain hes in, his speed compared to the others was alot faster, watching this video it looks like a 17 yr old street racers first time on the track and he got over anxious cuz he obviously wasnt thinking about the safety of anyone else when he came around the corner, the old saying might be to take it to the track but dont be a dumbass on the track just cuz ur off the streets
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Old 08-Jun-2011, 11:55 AM
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never know he could fix the subaru or just sell it but with minor damage hehe... can be hammered out and repainted,

glad the driver or who ever else was in the car ok,
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^I beg to differ. I'm a firm believer in late-apexing as being the fastest line. After 20-30 laps of this track at the C7 event (never lapped there before), I found the quickest line out of the last corner was putting me nowhere near the hay bales. If you're way out there, you're still turning way too much, imo.

I guess you and I have different preferences of technique. :P
I do understand where you are coming from. I too have done that course many times in the past. I still believe that the first civic eg hatch and the subaru had the correct line. And if you look at the placement of the wheels, it's right on top of the line. The material covering the hay bales clipped the tire and sent it over. First off, no hay bale should ever be that close to the line...it freaks the driver out. Secondly, the driving line should also provide you with the best tire wear. Perhaps there is a faster line than what he took, but, over the course of 10 or 20 laps, your tires would be much more worn. Sometimes, it's not always about speed. It's about maintaining entry and exit speed in corners so that your exceleration exiting the corner isn't affected while saving the life of your tires.

So perhaps we do have different preferences =P...the proof will be in our tire life. =P
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just glad hes okay! from what i heard it might have been his friend driving. it was my first time lapping that course at cscs. i took the same line out as that slowbrau and civic.
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Damn I want to do this!
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Was he borrowing the Subaru from a friend who borrowed it from his brother. lol

Glad hes ok. Watch kijiji for slightly damaged scooby with some minor wear on the roof.
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Was he borrowing the Subaru from a friend who borrowed it from his brother. lol

Glad hes ok. Watch kijiji for slightly damaged scooby with some minor wear on the roof.
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from people ive talked to it turns out he got this RHD sub 5 days before the show and still wasnt familiar with driving it and this was the end result
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^Guess he wasn't used to there being half a car more on the left side...lol.
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^Guess he wasn't used to there being half a car more on the left side...lol.
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Old 13-Jun-2011, 08:27 PM
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I do understand where you are coming from. I too have done that course many times in the past. I still believe that the first civic eg hatch and the subaru had the correct line. And if you look at the placement of the wheels, it's right on top of the line. The material covering the hay bales clipped the tire and sent it over. First off, no hay bale should ever be that close to the line...it freaks the driver out. Secondly, the driving line should also provide you with the best tire wear. Perhaps there is a faster line than what he took, but, over the course of 10 or 20 laps, your tires would be much more worn. Sometimes, it's not always about speed. It's about maintaining entry and exit speed in corners so that your exceleration exiting the corner isn't affected while saving the life of your tires.

So perhaps we do have different preferences =P...the proof will be in our tire life. =P
Shall we make this the official "race line" debate thread? lol jk.

Again, I beg to differ. I agree momentum is extremely important. You're 100% right on that. I also agree that a higher average lap speed = quicker average lap times. I gladly sacrifice just a tiny bit of corner entry speed to get all my turning done so that the moment I see the straight, my foot is 100% in it and the car is pointed as straight as possible. This allows you to be on the gas earlier, higher corner exit speeds, which = higher straightaway speeds, which = higher average lap speeds. With this technique, because I'm not trying to accelerate while I'm still turning (I'm accelerating more in a straight line), my tires will take less of a beating. Another technique I try to incorporate is to get all my braking done while I'm still traveling straight, then I release the brake as I turn in. I'm basically giving the tires one task at a time (more or less). I brake, release while turning in wide, use some throttle to keep the car at it's limit, then as I see the exit I feed in the throttle, late apex it with my foot already to the rug and the car accelerating in a near straight line for maximum corner exit speed, straightaway speed and higher average lap speeds/times. By giving the tires, more or less, one task at a time (either braking, turning or accelerating instead of braking and turning or turning and accelerating), this actually helps preserve tire wear because you are less inclined to push the tires past the limits causing sliding, scrubbing, spinning etc...

Not saying anyone's techniques are the right ones. This is just what I have learned and observed over the years and what I find works best. Of course I'm also talking about a basic single or double apex corner. Cayuga has some interesting transitions where it requires a little more time and practice to find the best lines.

I think it sounds like what happened to this guy is that he was used to a LHD car and forgot that half his car was now on the other side. After watching it again, at the last moment he cranks the wheel to the right in a last effort to save it.
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lol whata disaster, poor driving.
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