turbo setup?.......bbarbulo
16-Jun-2003, 09:41 PM
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turbo setup?.......bbarbulo
Bruno I know that you are planning on a turbo setup, and I have been having wet dreams about the sounds of a BOV. My thoughts for a semireliable, fun, but minimal loss if the engine blows is as following....
1) my stock d16y7
2)full face race turbo kit :
Full Race Equal Length Manifold
Full Race "Back Door" Intercooler
Full Race Downpipe
Garrett T3/60-1 Turbo or Garrett T4/T04E 60 Trim Turbo
Tial 40mm Wategate
Tial 50mm Blow Off Valve
Aluminium Intercooler Piping
Full Race Oil Line Kit
Silicon Couplers / Hose Clamps
Price: $3,899.00
and .....
3) Hondata control system
4) new large injectors
5) Hondata MAP sensor 'fix/swap'
Is there any need for boost control given all the other tweakable parameters with this setup?
Am I going way overboard? as I said this was a wet dream, not necessarily a project to be completed in one week.
1) my stock d16y7
2)full face race turbo kit :
Full Race Equal Length Manifold
Full Race "Back Door" Intercooler
Full Race Downpipe
Garrett T3/60-1 Turbo or Garrett T4/T04E 60 Trim Turbo
Tial 40mm Wategate
Tial 50mm Blow Off Valve
Aluminium Intercooler Piping
Full Race Oil Line Kit
Silicon Couplers / Hose Clamps
Price: $3,899.00
and .....
3) Hondata control system
4) new large injectors
5) Hondata MAP sensor 'fix/swap'
Is there any need for boost control given all the other tweakable parameters with this setup?
Am I going way overboard? as I said this was a wet dream, not necessarily a project to be completed in one week.
17-Jun-2003, 12:53 AM
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Please get the larger injectors!!! DSM 450cc's grab a resistor box from a EF civic...or you can get the RC 440's Better running rich than lean. Use check valves on the MAP sensor instead to save money and you can always add another if you decide to run more boost.
As for BOV's the HKS SSQ is good for high and low boost TurboXS RFL (real ******* loud) is the loudest if you want the bling bling. The TurboXS Dual stage MBC is nice thing to have.
A real necessity is ACCURATE boost gauges. I hear Greddy/HKS are worth the money, cuz the last thing you need is a spike; i hear autometer guages are usually off 1-2 psi.
Last but not least Hondata, they're starting to make alot of boost maps; thing is you'll have to convert to OBDI which IMO ain't that bad. If you know anybody that has a stage 4 and know what they're doing, i'd go with hondata.
Reliablilty: don't run over 8psi...run a lil richer...and use at least 91 octane.
Heh IMO it looks a lil overboard
but thats just me, very nice nonetheless 
As for BOV's the HKS SSQ is good for high and low boost TurboXS RFL (real ******* loud) is the loudest if you want the bling bling. The TurboXS Dual stage MBC is nice thing to have.
A real necessity is ACCURATE boost gauges. I hear Greddy/HKS are worth the money, cuz the last thing you need is a spike; i hear autometer guages are usually off 1-2 psi.
Last but not least Hondata, they're starting to make alot of boost maps; thing is you'll have to convert to OBDI which IMO ain't that bad. If you know anybody that has a stage 4 and know what they're doing, i'd go with hondata.
Reliablilty: don't run over 8psi...run a lil richer...and use at least 91 octane.
Heh IMO it looks a lil overboard
but thats just me, very nice nonetheless
17-Jun-2003, 12:58 AM
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Heres something i came across when doing my reserach if you haven't already seen it yet. Blow off valves sound/video clips
17-Jun-2003, 09:08 AM
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civicex, I appreciate your question... this is a very good question for all to learn from. Primarily, it's not a question of HOW big a project a turbo install really is.... it's rather a question of HOW big is the turbo. The size of your choice concerns me greatly. You will stomp on the throttle and have to wait about 3-4 seconds until you are thrown back into the seat with vioent acceleration. While really cool, this is not the most effective way to be quick... I mean, it depends, if you purely race your car, then OK, but... if you drive your car to school/work like most ppl, then this will get tired real fast, and with only 1.6L to work with... that's not much air. Continue later....
17-Jun-2003, 10:04 AM
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Right... took a short break...
ok, so assuming you know how a turbo works, you understand it takes exhaust volume to make it work... and a 1.6L doens't exactly have an abundance of exhaust volume, which is why the 1.8 or 2L engines are a much better choice for boosting. Anyways, what I'm saying is consider using a smaller turbo for better response, and a more rewarding area under the curve. I would bet that I'd whoop your *** all over town with my setup over your full race setup.
And I don't mean to trash talk, but I'm saying even though I won't make the same power are you (or maybe I will cuz both run stock internals), I will have a fatter curve, which gives me an advanage. Some guy is selling an Apexi unit... if I were you, I'd consider that... ball bearing turbo and all, you just gotta add an intercooler. I think that's a good deal.
ok, so assuming you know how a turbo works, you understand it takes exhaust volume to make it work... and a 1.6L doens't exactly have an abundance of exhaust volume, which is why the 1.8 or 2L engines are a much better choice for boosting. Anyways, what I'm saying is consider using a smaller turbo for better response, and a more rewarding area under the curve. I would bet that I'd whoop your *** all over town with my setup over your full race setup.
And I don't mean to trash talk, but I'm saying even though I won't make the same power are you (or maybe I will cuz both run stock internals), I will have a fatter curve, which gives me an advanage. Some guy is selling an Apexi unit... if I were you, I'd consider that... ball bearing turbo and all, you just gotta add an intercooler. I think that's a good deal.
17-Jun-2003, 10:33 AM
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And one final thing....
Hondata requires that you are OBDI, which you are NOT if you have an 1997 car...
Rewiring will be needed and a new ECU. OR!!! Greddy E-manage.
I'll be doing Apexi S-AFC with Venom 440cc... and prolly later when I get some more endz, I'll do the J&S Safeguard, cuz that thing is bad ***.
Hondata requires that you are OBDI, which you are NOT if you have an 1997 car...
Rewiring will be needed and a new ECU. OR!!! Greddy E-manage.
I'll be doing Apexi S-AFC with Venom 440cc... and prolly later when I get some more endz, I'll do the J&S Safeguard, cuz that thing is bad ***.
17-Jun-2003, 11:01 AM
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lol Bruno, I sure do bro, I sure do. I am saving mad cash now man, I am expecting a project by the end of the year. If not, then early next year.
I am beginning to get confused as whether I should swap then go turbo, or do what you are doing, turbo a D block... I don't know if I can handle all that power LOL...
I am beginning to get confused as whether I should swap then go turbo, or do what you are doing, turbo a D block... I don't know if I can handle all that power LOL...
17-Jun-2003, 11:11 AM
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turbo d-block it's cheap and fun, and if you blow it up it's cheap to replace. After this, I don't know what I'm gonna build... something nutty... like a 2L VTEC of some sort... or B18B built bottom end with boost or whatever... 
That day is a long way away. Right now I just wanna focus on what I'm doing currently.
it's cheap and fun, and if you blow it up it's cheap to replace. After this, I don't know what I'm gonna build... something nutty... like a 2L VTEC of some sort... or B18B built bottom end with boost or whatever... That day is a long way away. Right now I just wanna focus on what I'm doing currently.
17-Jun-2003, 11:28 AM
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Research on Fuel Management.....that essentially is whats keeping your car from blowing up.....and keeping your car reliable. Theres so many ways you can go...Hondata, E-manage, Greddy blue box, SAFC/VAFC, AEM EMS, FMU, blah blah blah too many to list.
Whats the J&S Safeguard? is that a block guard?
Whats the J&S Safeguard? is that a block guard?
17-Jun-2003, 11:35 AM
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Nope, J&S is ignition control... knock sensor and ignition retard... like the MSD 6BL box except even better!!
Greddy blue box is ****... it's basically designed to run OK with their basic setup... if you go past 7 psi, I won't work.
Greddy blue box is ****... it's basically designed to run OK with their basic setup... if you go past 7 psi, I won't work.
17-Jun-2003, 12:07 PM
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I'm gonna look into this ignition control, thanks!
Trust me nobody wants to lose their motor while boosting, implimenting any safty precautions won't hurt. Sadly i'm already thinking of blowing up my motor and i'm not even boosted.....i don't want to....but i know i will. Its like going into a casino expecting to lose
Or i can build the D....hey theres an idea lol
Trust me nobody wants to lose their motor while boosting, implimenting any safty precautions won't hurt. Sadly i'm already thinking of blowing up my motor and i'm not even boosted.....i don't want to....but i know i will. Its like going into a casino expecting to lose
Or i can build the D....hey theres an idea lol
17-Jun-2003, 03:47 PM
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Jason, it's a TD04L turbo - same as what's found on the 2002 Subaru WRX. Stock turbod WRX w/ mods make over 300 hp, and it's a 2 liter @14.5 psi... so that's why I spec'd this turbo out for my own project. It's small enough to spool fast, yet large enough to push a lot of air and not run out of breath at 7200 rpm. It's EXACTLY what I needed. Plus, it's internally gated which makes for a more reliable setup.
which makes for a more reliable setup.
17-Jun-2003, 04:06 PM
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thanks for all the responses....
what I lack is experience with spool up time and when too big is too big. I understand the concepts, but you/I can theorize until infinitum and still not know what the experience will truly be. What I need to do is ride with someone who has a boosted d16y7 to determine what the optimum combo would be.
bruno.... how did you choose the WRX? (theory alone, or have you taken one for a ride?) also, where are you planning to get one of these? With an internal wastegate, does it make boost adjustment any more difficult?
I think hondata will provide all necessary tweaks to ensure safety and the ability to have fun adjusting parameters.
I'm really interested to see Bruno's complete item list for boosting a d16y7.
mel
what I lack is experience with spool up time and when too big is too big. I understand the concepts, but you/I can theorize until infinitum and still not know what the experience will truly be. What I need to do is ride with someone who has a boosted d16y7 to determine what the optimum combo would be.
bruno.... how did you choose the WRX? (theory alone, or have you taken one for a ride?) also, where are you planning to get one of these? With an internal wastegate, does it make boost adjustment any more difficult?
I think hondata will provide all necessary tweaks to ensure safety and the ability to have fun adjusting parameters.
I'm really interested to see Bruno's complete item list for boosting a d16y7.
mel
17-Jun-2003, 04:39 PM
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We should all get together when our cars are boosted!! lol I'm aiming for an August/September completion date....*** brakes/suspension/cosmetics.....I wanna be pushing 8psi before summer ends!
Here is a list of Turbo's ranging from T4's to TD04
Here is a list of Turbo's ranging from T4's to TD04
17-Jun-2003, 04:40 PM
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My buddy has a WRX, so it was an easy choice to use that turbo. I already have the TD04L, Venom 440 injectors, Apexi S-AFC, Holley 255lph FI pump, TurboXS HPMBC, Golf 1.8T intercooler, and prolly a pile of little things I'm forgetting.
Things I need, are to have the manifold welded to some flanges... I have a stainless T304SS manifold that need a D-series flange on one side, and TD04L flange on the other... I'll be running an open exhaust at first (just did emissions, so I'm not worried...) it'll be a 3" down pipe... then later on when it runs well, I'll put a WRX axle back custom fitted (want something quiet that flows 250 hp worth). Oh yeah, I also will be using a WRX BOV (already have) cuz it's quiet. It's all about steath for me. I need an oil supply plate (Golden Eagle)... and then to toss it all together, retard the timing, and drive over to Payne Tech for tuning.
Things I need, are to have the manifold welded to some flanges... I have a stainless T304SS manifold that need a D-series flange on one side, and TD04L flange on the other... I'll be running an open exhaust at first (just did emissions, so I'm not worried...) it'll be a 3" down pipe... then later on when it runs well, I'll put a WRX axle back custom fitted (want something quiet that flows 250 hp worth). Oh yeah, I also will be using a WRX BOV (already have) cuz it's quiet. It's all about steath for me. I need an oil supply plate (Golden Eagle)... and then to toss it all together, retard the timing, and drive over to Payne Tech for tuning.
17-Jun-2003, 04:43 PM
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Oh, and I chose based on an educated guess... sizing, trim, a/r, and flow requirements. It's a nice sized turbo and it's almost brand new. As for susp, brakes, and cosmetics.... I already covered those... all SiR underneath (control arms and sway bars) with H&R coilovers all SiR brake hydraulics and 4 wheel discs. Exterior is mostly 1.6 EL bits and other Honda OEM parts... and interior is soon to change to 1.6 EL leather from previosly (till last weekend) Sparco Sprints.
all SiR brake hydraulics and 4 wheel discs. Exterior is mostly 1.6 EL bits and other Honda OEM parts... and interior is soon to change to 1.6 EL leather from previosly (till last weekend) Sparco Sprints.
