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imported_teg_gsr 29-Jul-2007 06:07 PM

Turbo
 
are the turbo setups they sell on ebay all crap is it worth spending 800$$ on one??

imported_Joker 29-Jul-2007 06:25 PM

no

WTi 29-Jul-2007 08:01 PM

yes they are all crap, no it is not worth spending the cost for shipping if it was free because you'd have more headaches and spend more than $800 trying to fix it.

bbarbulo 30-Jul-2007 12:39 AM

for a peice that spins at nearly 200,000 rpm, do you really want something from ebay??

brianmcgaugh 30-Jul-2007 01:15 AM

IMO useable ebay parts... BOV, Mani (if its a cast one, not the ****ty ssac tube mani's),IC, IC Piping (even know your fab guy might hate you for bringing him metal with alot of contaminates)

The wastegates can be hit or miss, save your self the hassle get a Synaptic wastegate, tial, or turbosmart.

And buy a turbo from a real turbo manufacturer, garrett, PTE, Innovate, borg warner.

imported_meSIR 30-Jul-2007 01:23 AM

some turbos have held up, with oil restriction and low boost, some havent...but SSAC is no Garrett, Tial, etc.
The turbos and manifolds have def. been the troublesome parts though.

fingolfin 30-Jul-2007 11:36 AM

like everyone said.. its really hit or miss with them.. sure u can hook it up and it will work beautifully or maybe you'll hook it up and it will blow ur head....


play is safe and buy local...
remember, u get what u pay for..

imported_Nicotine 30-Jul-2007 11:50 AM

there's a kid locally who has run one for a year,and it's still running strong. yet there's another kid locally that got one - and the housing split spilling oil all over....the loss of oil nuked his engine.

through all my turbo experiences, don't go cheap. it's not worth it.

trying to save by going on ebay, will endup costing you more in the long run when you have to replace parts twice and twice the labour, plus retuning, etc.

imported_teg_gsr 30-Jul-2007 12:45 PM

ok so where does everyone sugest i get a turbo setup from i dont wanna spend to much like $1000 or less

Nova_Dust 30-Jul-2007 02:46 PM

$1000, you need to do way more research than this. $1000 will not get you anything accompolished, even if you build and tune it completely by yourself.

Sounds discouraging, but that's the reality of car tuning.

You could shop on Ebay and look for used brand name parts and wait for deals to come. But labour and tuning will be a big part of it.

fingolfin 30-Jul-2007 03:30 PM

buy my setup

$650 in the classified section

you still need to get some things to complete it, then install it, then tune it.....

imported_teg_gsr 30-Jul-2007 09:22 PM

im talkin gettin a turbo setup for under 1000$$ not building the motor or anything jus getting the setup where can i find a decnet one

imported_teg_gsr 30-Jul-2007 10:01 PM

also i plan or running about 8 ldb on a stock d15 while a i build another d15 to be able to take at least 20 lbs what kind a turbo is good so that application

imported_Sivic2000 31-Jul-2007 12:59 AM

There is nothing wrong with eBay itself, i mean c'mon its just an advertising service. Its up to you to be a smart shopper. There are hundreds of different turbo kits/components out there, I wouldnt paint them all with the same brush.

imported_Sivic2000 31-Jul-2007 01:02 AM


Originally posted by teg_gsr
also i plan or running about 8 ldb on a stock d15 while a i build another d15 to be able to take at least 20 lbs what kind a turbo is good so that application
Those are lofty goals, if any of this is ever going to happen i would suggest at least a 20G or 50 trim turbo or better.

imported_honda1b6a 31-Jul-2007 04:21 PM

i have one and it pulled very hard,, no problems whatsoever. B4 i installed it, i primed the turbo and i let it cool down all the time b4 i shut the engine off.

I just blew my ringlands becuase i boosted a motor that wasnt 100% Im in the process of swappin in another b16.

For a grand my crx rapes alot of cars ive put 7000km on the turbo already! Alot of people on HT are running these turbos and are making high hp. Paulo on here has one also and makes 260 WHP on a Ls motor.

brianmcgaugh 31-Jul-2007 08:40 PM


Originally posted by teg_gsr
also i plan or running about 8 ldb on a stock d15 while a i build another d15 to be able to take at least 20 lbs what kind a turbo is good so that application
setting boost goals is just asinine. I see quite a few people on here say the same ****.

Do you even understand what boost is?
to make it easy its a restriction value, or the INability for the motor to move the air from intake to exhaust. your raming air into the motor and it cant move it out fast enough. If you can move more air and run a lower psi your laughing. That is why 2 setups can make completly diff #'s per/lb or any random boost level.
stock head/cams/cam timing vs a built head will gain double digits in hp/tq no problem and run a lower psi level and be easier on the entire setup.

SO NO MORE BOOST GOALS!!! plain and simple its stupid

set hp/tq goals and people will be able to help

imported_teg_gsr 01-Aug-2007 05:04 PM

i want almost 200whp on stock motor and over 300whp on built motor

imported_187Chor 01-Aug-2007 05:43 PM

anyone have any experience with the TD05H 16G?
how does it compare to a T3/4?

polska_01 01-Aug-2007 07:31 PM

some of you guys need to go open up a book or even read up on these things its been covered many many times...

brianmcgaugh 01-Aug-2007 09:09 PM


Originally posted by teg_gsr
i want almost 200whp on stock motor and over 300whp on built motor
whats over 300? 301whp? 800whp?
you have to know what you want before you start this **** or your gonna waste alot of $

brianmcgaugh 01-Aug-2007 09:16 PM

why dont you just own up to your name and swap in a gsr one year, then save up and boost it the next year. theres lots of people making 300+ on stock gsr's
my buddy has a 416whp stock gsr and beats the living crap out of it every day, tracks it all the time ( i believe his moto is something to the key of "drive it knowing your gonna blow it up each pass and if it doesnt, well youll get another run") and made probally 50-75 dyno runs on it.
buy a solid motor keep up on your maintenance and use quality parts and your golden!
whats it going to cost you to build a D? and why when a stock gsr will still own it?

brianmcgaugh 01-Aug-2007 09:42 PM


Originally posted by 187Chor
anyone have any experience with the TD05H 16G?
how does it compare to a T3/4?

what t3/4 or what is a t3/4?
do u meen a t3/t4Oe? t3/t4Ob theres so many t3/t4 variants comparing them to a 16g would take a long time.

and experiance what? making 200whp? 300whp?

People, stop wanting a turbo and start wanting to make power. as soon as you know what you want then you will be able to work towards it.

I know im sounding like a dick in this thread but i see this all the time in this forum. Then again this forum is mostly tailered to people that love show or people that have barlely modded civics, It's by no means a performance orientated forum... hell its got one forum to talk about anything performance orientated.
yet theres a lighting forum oh and a audio/security forum but no NA forum, no FI forum, no General Tech forum.
under tech there should be :
FI
NA
General
ICE
Suspension/autobody
(and possibly generation specific forums)

WTi 02-Aug-2007 08:55 AM


Originally posted by brianmcgaugh

this forum is mostly tailered to people that love show or people that have barlely modded civics, It's by no means a performance orientated forum... hell its got one forum to talk about anything performance orientated.

+1 no offence to the membership here, but if you are looking for accurate performance info, go to honda-tech or htuner or homemadeturbo or somewhere dedicated to boost and not body kits and loud stereos.

imported_187Chor 02-Aug-2007 09:16 PM

actually this SITE is for people who have HONDA CIVICS

and this forum is tailored to "performance and suspension".....

not everyone has the same experience level in tuning thier cars so if we ask a question its because we want to learn!! if you feel you are too good for this site then stay off it, cuz many others reply with help and not condescending remarks

brianmcgaugh 02-Aug-2007 10:31 PM

buy a ssac turbo kit and die.

The setup for this FORUM is sh!t. i dont come on TCC to see the site only the FORUM. F/S and the performance sections.

Ill help anyone out, i do everyday and dont mind, as long as they will try and learn a bit themselves, and actually know what they want.

If people like Zeeman, WTi, Cris_v2 and myself actually left here (being sick of BS posts, partialy due to the gay structure for this forum) then who will answer these posts? you?

tailored to performance and suspension!!... i always took suspension to be considered under the realm of performance. how can you have 1 forum to deal with everything from brakes, engine, to fuel managment?
Its a bad structure and is just prone to gay reposts, yet mods are the first to close the reposts or overdone posts.
Will they start new forums to cut down on the reposts and BS no... it wasnt there idea

The nations largest city (TO), with one of if not the largest enthusiest fan base (hondas) and honestly look at the site

imported_DraginX 02-Aug-2007 11:02 PM

You need to come back to the maritimes Brian where we are geared to make power... heres a little love.. :love:

I agree seems like most here are worried too much about what their car looks, and sounds like. It was like that here a few years back and now most people go for power. Some of the street cars running around are making some crazy power. Bikes aren't too intimidating anymore... they are fun to tease... :wink:

imported_187Chor 02-Aug-2007 11:08 PM

well u cant say u will help anyone out and do so everyday and dont mind when your every response to anyone asking for help is with such bitterness.. u obviously do mind...

and WHY ARE you so bitter????

its a freakin hobby dude, chill out, if you think the questions or posts are redendant then dont answer them, i can understand when someone asks a very generalized question and has blatantly done no research before posing thier question, but don't knock people because you think they haven't asked the RIGHT question.

you might get a bit more respect if you explained what it is that you seem to understand more than the rest of us rather than getting all pissy about it..

i dont know why you keep knocking the site which you just did AGAIN but you keep coming on here.... if you feel you can improve the site im sure the people who manage it would be glad to take your constructive criticism, or better yet, why dont you make your own site with your perfect forums and layout??

WTi 03-Aug-2007 09:19 AM


Originally posted by 187Chor
actually if you feel you are too good for this site then stay off it, cuz many others reply with help and not condescending remarks
i don't feel i am better than any member on any forum. my post wasn't intended to be condescending, just my opinion and how things seem to be. i don't think anyone could argue otherwise... if you have a question about something technical, you would probably have a better chance at getting good information on a site that is aimed at that particular area of automotive performance, rather than a site with one forum for performance. i think it is great that people want to find help on a local forum and it has a closer sense of community because everyone lives in closer proximity, rather than opposite sides of the continent... but that also limits the answers you are going to get for any specific question because you are limited geographically to people on a local website, which is the point i was trying to make. i am involved in many local forums that i frequent often, but i also frequent larger forums with larger memberships as there is a better chance at finding an answer to my questions. i do try to provide help when there is a question that i have experience with, just look at my post history.

zeeman 03-Aug-2007 10:05 AM

it just sucks to always be contributing to a site and get nothing in return...if not hassled by admins for spamming or something.

WTi 03-Aug-2007 10:16 AM


Originally posted by zeeman
it just sucks to always be contributing to a site and get nothing in return...if not hassled by admins for spamming or something.
c'mon andrew, you must appreciate something you get from this site... if nothing else, a good reputation is always worth something.

zeeman 03-Aug-2007 10:25 AM

i sure do.

I haven't been hassled by anyone, i'm just saying in general.

But to see the same questions over and over, people wonder why the knowledgeable people stop posting/visiting this site after a while.....like bbarbulo, dingus, scotty-93HBsi, weiRtech hell i find chris_v2 not posting nearly as much anymore (but he doesn't know squat anyways....lol...j/k).

I'm on this site everyday, 10 times a day, so i shouldn't b1tch about it. I personally am a big fan of TCC. I remember when i first started posting on this site, i didn't know half of what i know now and didn't have half of the experience i do now. This is why i find myself to be a little more understanding....i was there once too.

Nova_Dust 03-Aug-2007 10:25 AM

TCC thanks all those who have poured their time and energy into this wonderful online community. We all do it out of our free time and I for one, am not asking anything in return, not a penny, not a thank-you, not even "dude, your car looks sick".

All we ask, is for everyone to respect one another. If you can pay more respect to a stranger in person, then we should see the same level of respectfulness online. Just because we seem to only exist behind the monitor (and you may never see that person in real life), doesn't mean he or she doesn't deserve it.

Having said that, we will close threads, or merge threads that have similar attributes if seen within the same page, or two. Sometimes, someone just need a good start on a topic and he or she can then start doing research on the right route.

Thank you all.

brianmcgaugh 03-Aug-2007 11:42 AM

Hey Nova why dont you guys make a few more subjects under the Tech forum, and each new subjet you can get the moderators of each to make a simple sticky to explain some of the simple everyday questions on here.
Right now theres a 126xxx threads started in the performance forum just imagine how many of those would of been not posted had the person writing it had a proper layout to go through.

brianmcgaugh 03-Aug-2007 11:58 AM


Originally posted by 187Chor
well u cant say u will help anyone out and do so everyday and dont mind when your every response to anyone asking for help is with such bitterness.. u obviously do mind...
I have lots of people that i talk to daily on msn or other forums that ask me lots of questions and i always answer to then best i can. And what did i tell you im a PM im not ****ting on you just this forum.



Originally posted by 187Chor
and WHY ARE you so bitter????
Its do to the inefficency of this forum, and some of the gay rules here.


Originally posted by 187Chor
its a freakin hobby dude, chill out, if you think the questions or posts are redendant then dont answer them, i can understand when someone asks a very generalized question and has blatantly done no research before posing thier question, but don't knock people because you think they haven't asked the RIGHT question.

you might get a bit more respect if you explained what it is that you seem to understand more than the rest of us rather than getting all pissy about it..

If you read through this topic youll see i have educated people such as your self on some of the basic turbo princapals, and have tried to steer you in the right direction. now will you listen? I had a teacher in college that was a complete dick but he was really smart and an extreamily good teacher,i never missed any of his classes as he was a fountain of knowledge and made it easy to understand. moral: The attitude of the information shouldn't deture from learning it.


Originally posted by 187Chor
i dont know why you keep knocking the site which you just did AGAIN but you keep coming on here.... if you feel you can improve the site im sure the people who manage it would be glad to take your constructive criticism, or better yet, why dont you make your own site with your perfect forums and layout??
I come on here mostly for the classifieds, and just to see whats going on(and for the slight chance that someone in the performance section is posting a nice build) that and its a local forum.
like I said i know i could improve on this site its inefficent a best.
I have lots of free time to start my own site/forum :richslap:

imported_teg_gsr 03-Aug-2007 07:03 PM

hahah hey guy does anyone wanna talk about why i even started this thread common dudes relax and brianmcgaugh i already have a gsr in something i dont wanna boost it and when i say i wanna make over 300whp that mean 300 is fine 301 is fine jus over 300

imported_2join performance 03-Aug-2007 07:25 PM

Your question is too general is what I think everyone is getting at. There are so many factors to consider, and so many personal preferences to accommodate, that it would be tough for anyone to recommend a 300whp setup for you. There are multiple ways of doing it, and it requires that YOU put some effort into it and research what works best for you. If along the way you are coming into things that are hard to understand then people would be more then glad to help, knowing you are committed to the information they will be providing you.

I also think your budget is a little unrealistic, but the quality of your build is your priority.

imported_chris_v2 03-Aug-2007 07:32 PM


Originally posted by zeeman


But to see the same questions over and over, people wonder why the knowledgeable people stop posting/visiting this site after a while.....like bbarbulo, dingus, scotty-93HBsi, weiRtech hell i find chris_v2 not posting nearly as much anymore (but he doesn't know squat anyways....lol...j/k).



I'm with andrew 150% on this one. I don't even bother with these threads anymore, unless im really bored. There is a sticky on Turbo's for a reason. Honestly.. why should I bother typing out the samething 50 times? I know how brian feels and all those other people zeeman stated.

I'm glad that most of these threads are now being locked and the O/P is being told to search. This thread should be locked as well, after-all it is in the rules to search before you make a post.


Oh.. and andrew, screw you asshat:upyours:

imported_chris_v2 03-Aug-2007 07:35 PM


Originally posted by 2join performance
Your question is too general is what I think everyone is getting at. There are so many factors to consider, and so many personal preferences to accommodate, that it would be tough for anyone to recommend a 300whp setup for you. There are multiple ways of doing it, and it requires that YOU put some effort into it and research what works best for you. If along the way you are coming into things that are hard to understand then people would be more then glad to help, knowing you are committed to the information they will be providing you.

I also think your budget is a little unrealistic, but the quality of your build is your priority.


Honestly, if somebody wants a 300whp setup. IMO it's either they pay up the ass for somebody to design one for them. OR they actually research and see what works, what hasn't worked, what makes the most power gains, whats more practical, whats more cost efficient, etc.

I built my first turbo kit before I even entered auto school... and I did a ****ty job, even though I spent about 2 months of researching (that just goes to show you how much info. there is out there).

Or you can just pay up the ass for a full-boost or whatever turbo kit and make serious power...and be in debt

imported_teg_gsr 07-Aug-2007 02:38 PM

d15 turbo
 
i was wondering if a dx motor can take like 15-20 psi with only a built block stock internals in the head and what is the most importants things to build up if it cant take it


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