imported_sky0901

it's time to tune up my car

96 civic with stock d16 engine about 200k


as for oil change, i have been using 5w-30 the past year, last 2 month i found out it burns oils, need to fill 1L every 3000km

now i bought some 5w-30 high mileage from castrol

should i use normal or high mileage 5w30 or 10w30?


for spark plug, wires, cap, rotor which brand should i get?

any other parts that i left out for a yearly tune up?


thanks for the help

imported_plzbeleiveit

10W30 recommended on high milliage engines. NGK sparks plugs or oem from honda are the best. Same with wires as well. 200k Id change the rotar inside the distriputer.

1sloweg

High milage oil is a scam, just use regular castrol gtx 10w30. As for tune up parts just oem honda, nothing runs or fits like oem

imported_Cablerat

10w30 all the time.

VTEC_Thunder

Dude, i don't mean to rag on you, but i read what you wrote in the amsoil thread and you seem to think that every oil other than regular oil is a scam. If they were really scaming us all they would have been found out and in deep sh*t already. Plus why would they make specialty oils like higher mileage oil and sell it for the same price as other regular oil? They put extra additives in higher mileage oils to help seal up older valve seals among other things.

If you want to run regular oil, go for it. but stop saying every other oil like synthetics and highermileage are a scam. They're not.

As for your tune up sky0901, 10w30 for higher mileage should be ok. You may want to try lucasoil oil additive, it's worked for me in the past on my pickup truck. Plug and wires: oem.

imported_sky0901

can i get the oem parts from canadian tire? or i have to go back to dealer? cuz i know dealer will charge alot for it

thanks

chris_si98

how do you know? Do you really think higher mileage oil is really all it's cracked up to be? It's just marketing, I have yet heard a mechanic or my shop teacher ever say to me "go grab some high mileage oil".. it's always 10w30. Sure it's probably made a bit differently, but if you compared it's affects to regular 10w30 I bet it would be identical.

chris_si98

honda only.

Find a friend at a shop who gets dealer cost and ask him to buy it

VTEC_Thunder

Yeah that makes sense, If nobody made high mileage oil, you'd still buy their oil anyways....The difference is, instead of everybody buying regular oil, some buy regular and some buy highmileage....and most companies sell highmileage oil so it's not like everybody is going to one company for highmileage oil.......ppl with highmileage cars back before they made this type of oil didn't say "jee i wish someone would make highmileage oil..." But i don't think they are a scam, i think they are formulated for those types of vehicles....they don't cost anymore than normal oil either.


Above, I was mainly just trying to make the point that 1sloweg was saying every oil other than regular is a scam which is not true.....thats all i'm saying.

chris_si98

whats wrong with that? If honda engineers deisgned your motor for a certain oil.. why not stick with it?

VTEC_Thunder

There is nothing wrong with using any oil of your choice. What ever oil you choose to use that you find works best is fine with me.

But you can't say other oils like mobil1 and amsoil are a scam just because...

They're not a scam....thats all i'm saying....nothing else....

chris_si98

i didnt say its a scam, but its un-necessary for our motors.

chris_si98

I hate to be a google mechanic but..

Unfortunately for the synthetic oil industry there is virtually no advantage to using synthetic oil in a non-high performance engine that is operated in moderate climates. You probably could go a bit longer between oil changes with a synthetic, i.e. following the normal service schedule even if you fall into the severe service category, but I wouldn't advise this. In short, synthetic may give you the peace of mind of knowing that you are using an oil that is far better than necessary for your vehicle, but it won't reduce wear or extend the life of the engine. The mistake some people make it to wrongly extrapolate these benefits onto normal engines operated in mild climates, with the ultimate lack of any knowledge being manifested with statements such as "synthetics provide 'Peace of Mind,' or 'Cheap Insurance,'" or other such nonsense.

imported_Cam Stableford

.... AND THE BEAT GOES ON ....

Synthetic Oils are NOT necessary for our engines. And other unecessary things I can think of include electiricity, instead of candles; 2 ply, instead of yesterday's newspaper; shaving foam, instead of soap; lighters, instead of matches; etc. etc, AND, oil changes every 5,000 km.

Synthetics do provide for lower wear, and do provide for longer engine life, and do provide protection exceeding OEM recommendations for significantly extended periods of time.

Again, I feel I have to give examples of this horrible "scam" ....

I know a limousine company owner using Amsoil who runs the full limit of recommended extended drain intervals, and retires the limos at 900,000 miles, without the need for any engine work.

I know members of this forum who have witnessed vehicles getting impossibly high mileage in fleet service with synthetics.

Trucks have gone up to 20 times the mileage of normal oil changes on the same oil, using Amsoil, and upon tear down showed no greater wear than if the oil had been changed using dino at OEM intervals.

There are 34 years of user experience that says Amsoil does exactly what it says it will do. Is it really as good as that? Yes, it is.

Use whatever spins your spurs, but it seems real easy for folks to stand on a soap box here, sling a little mud, and have absolutely nothing to back up what they say. Everybody is entitled to an opinion, based on their experience. I acknowledge and respect that. It's what makes the world go 'round.

(Before you all go running for the flame thrower, here's a riddle for you ..... What do you get when you flame the Amsoil dealer? ... why, an oil fire, of course!)

Cheers

Cam

Cynikal.Mindset

we use 1.50/litre oil on our work truck and that thing had well over 500.000km on it before it got written off and never had engine work...we did oil changes on the regular...meh, whatever

imported_sky0901

ok i'll check out dealer during this week

estimate total cost for tune up parts?

thanks for the help

chris_si98

wheres my damn p/s belt

chris_si98

why is switching to syn. better for say a d16z6?

VTEC_Thunder

You said it right there....

"Non-high performance engine". I don't think of a b16 as a non-high performance engine. Not when they make 160+hp from an NA 1.6L that revs to 8000+......

For a b16 I believe synthetic is better for the motor than non-synthetic.....simple as that.

Maybe in day-to-day driving it doesn't make too much of a difference, but I don't know anyone who doesn't like to open up their powerplants and have a little fun now and then...

imported_Cam Stableford

Here is an article that provides a good explanation of the benefits of synthetic lubrication. I think it says it all.

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/sythoil.htm

For me personally, it has more than paid for itself in my Civic. I changed my oil to Amsoil TSO 0W30, and the tranny fluid to Amsoil ATF. I am changing the oil just once a year, which in my case is probably 20-25,000 km, and well within the 56,000 km service life of the product. In my estimation, with the improved fuel economy, and saved oil changes, I'm ahead by about $250 this year.

Performance wise, the most noticeable changes I've enjoyed have been the improved gas mileage, and I really enjoyed the cold weather performance. Cold starts are awesome, and you'll really notice a difference in the tranny on the coldest days.

More horsepower? Who knows, I don't have a dyno.

Less wear? I'll have to wait about 10 years, and let you know.

Better Fuel Economy? For sure.

Better cold weather performance? For sure.

Cleaner emissions? Can't say, don't care.

Longer oil life? Absolutely, and I'll be getting a sample tested by the lab to confirm this just before I change my oil at the end of November.

Saves money? Absolutely, and I probably saved 10 hours of my personal day off time, by not having to get so many oil changes.

As you all know, oil threads can keep going, and going, and going. It really just comes down to personal experience, and what you believe. There is a ton of reading available at Amsoils Corporate Website, if you are interested (http://www.amsoil.com/index.aspx?zo=1359038), but in the end, it wouldn't matter if I told you that Amsoil turns to Uranium after 40,000 km, and you can sell it to 3rd world countries for millions!

The most important thing to consider is experience with a product.

Maybe other forum members can share their experience with synthetics, regardless of brand, and then you can make up your own mind.

Cheers

Cam