Still think a SOHC turbo is slow?
23-Jan-2005, 03:02 AM
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good luck to all you sohc builders, hope you reach beyond your goals with your setups. I guess there's 2-ways to look at things. I personally would rather start with a rather larger engine and better engine and turbo that instead of having to build up something to compare to the bigger engine. stock b18's make 300whp easy and with forged pistons and rods you can make over 400whp. I guess thats just my mentality but its good to see people doing different things.
for a D series to hold 14psi min. daily what would be required? Are you looking at pistons, rods, arp rod bolts, arp head studs, sleeving?
for a D series to hold 14psi min. daily what would be required? Are you looking at pistons, rods, arp rod bolts, arp head studs, sleeving?
23-Jan-2005, 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by scarlemthug
good luck to all you sohc builders, hope you reach beyond your goals with your setups. I guess there's 2-ways to look at things. I personally would rather start with a rather larger engine and better engine and turbo that instead of having to build up something to compare to the bigger engine. stock b18's make 300whp easy and with forged pistons and rods you can make over 400whp. I guess thats just my mentality but its good to see people doing different things.
for a D series to hold 14psi min. daily what would be required? Are you looking at pistons, rods, arp rod bolts, arp head studs, sleeving?
good luck to all you sohc builders, hope you reach beyond your goals with your setups. I guess there's 2-ways to look at things. I personally would rather start with a rather larger engine and better engine and turbo that instead of having to build up something to compare to the bigger engine. stock b18's make 300whp easy and with forged pistons and rods you can make over 400whp. I guess thats just my mentality but its good to see people doing different things.
for a D series to hold 14psi min. daily what would be required? Are you looking at pistons, rods, arp rod bolts, arp head studs, sleeving?
So true! I was thinking of working on the D16y7 but after your post...I'd rather save up for GSR or SiR swap.
23-Jan-2005, 04:24 PM
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i dunno man, dont listen to me. I just look at the cost of buying the parts to build up the engine, the labour to have the machine work and installation done etc and thats way more than starting with even a GSR engine. But then it would be fun to turbo a D series for a simple Daily driver. Im gonna go pretty hard with my B18B1 turbo but when im done with that i wanna try and do a low budget boost project on my dx engine when its in my eg hatch just for the fun of it.
23-Jan-2005, 06:32 PM
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I dunno about that, i havent done alot of research on building the D series but if you had the get the block sleeved, new pistons, rods, valvetrain, balanced and stuff your looking at easily $3000 with machining etc. Where a full GSR swap will run you say $3000-3500 and right out of the box you can lay down 300whp and with some new pistons and rods you can probably do 400whp.
I guess it just all depends on the way you look at things. I would much rather have a K series than a B series but at the moment its costs almost the same or more to put a K series into a car as it does for the K series engine and tranny.
I guess it just all depends on the way you look at things. I would much rather have a K series than a B series but at the moment its costs almost the same or more to put a K series into a car as it does for the K series engine and tranny.
23-Jan-2005, 08:32 PM
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I dont recall anyone making over 300whp on the bat, like you say. Talk to people on this site that have had stock B series motor and what they have gotten outta them.
It might be possible but IMO you will still need to do all pistions/rods/rings in a B series to make over 300whp safely just the same as the D-series.
The biggest advantage for the D series guys is reaching a decent hp range. I dont need over 200whp on my civic, so that is why i stayed with the D instead of swap then turbo.
HP always cost $$$. So what do you want more of?
It might be possible but IMO you will still need to do all pistions/rods/rings in a B series to make over 300whp safely just the same as the D-series.
The biggest advantage for the D series guys is reaching a decent hp range. I dont need over 200whp on my civic, so that is why i stayed with the D instead of swap then turbo.
HP always cost $$$. So what do you want more of?
23-Jan-2005, 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by Cee_mon
I dont recall anyone making over 300whp on the bat, like you say. Talk to people on this site that have had stock B series motor and what they have gotten outta them.
It might be possible but IMO you will still need to do all pistions/rods/rings in a B series to make over 300whp safely just the same as the D-series.
The biggest advantage for the D series guys is reaching a decent hp range. I dont need over 200whp on my civic, so that is why i stayed with the D instead of swap then turbo.
HP always cost $$$. So what do you want more of?
I dont recall anyone making over 300whp on the bat, like you say. Talk to people on this site that have had stock B series motor and what they have gotten outta them.
It might be possible but IMO you will still need to do all pistions/rods/rings in a B series to make over 300whp safely just the same as the D-series.
The biggest advantage for the D series guys is reaching a decent hp range. I dont need over 200whp on my civic, so that is why i stayed with the D instead of swap then turbo.
HP always cost $$$. So what do you want more of?
Looking at alot of different sites ive seen many stock b18's and b16's make 300whp on a completely stock engine with an upgraded clutch obviously.
i do plan on putting in forged rods and pistons with some cams/retainers/springs but thats only to be able to turn the boost up and shoot for over 350whp.
23-Jan-2005, 10:27 PM
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fack the naysayers, 99% of the talkers are just that, talkers. They could talk all day about how much BS it is to turbo a D series, but the guys are doing just that, turboing and running some nice numbers, while the naysayser sit back and think its uber gay to do what there doing haha, I laugh, laugh real hard, you always gotta be cool to do something else, but when push comes to shove, they never do it.. so why can't you appreciate that someone actually put in their time to make something work out for them...
23-Jan-2005, 10:41 PM
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if that was directed at me matt, i said before i think its awesome to see high hp/fast D-series cars.
I am still wondering what it would take to get 300-350whp on a d series reliably?
I am still wondering what it would take to get 300-350whp on a d series reliably?
23-Jan-2005, 11:56 PM
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keep this going... i'm learning...
personally.. i'm just cheering for the d series, coz i drive one...
whatever i can do with it will depend on $$$...
so i agreed with people who say HP=$$
well, for a daily driver, i don't even need much horses, not like you would be racing cars at the red light, we're all gonna go the same speed and start at the same pace.... if i ever have the $$, knowledge, and skills... frankly, i would attempt to be a d-series for track purpose to show d-series can be a killer (so the car won't be for daily... not need to worry about the daily driven reliability)... so i'm not really into BSing like i want a swap or i want a turbo or i will built this built that! coz i'm just a normal driver haha... last note! i love my d16z6, atleast it gets me from point A to point B nicely everyday! hahaha....
keep this going... so i can learn more!!!
personally.. i'm just cheering for the d series, coz i drive one...
whatever i can do with it will depend on $$$...
so i agreed with people who say HP=$$
well, for a daily driver, i don't even need much horses, not like you would be racing cars at the red light, we're all gonna go the same speed and start at the same pace.... if i ever have the $$, knowledge, and skills... frankly, i would attempt to be a d-series for track purpose to show d-series can be a killer (so the car won't be for daily... not need to worry about the daily driven reliability)... so i'm not really into BSing like i want a swap or i want a turbo or i will built this built that! coz i'm just a normal driver haha... last note! i love my d16z6, atleast it gets me from point A to point B nicely everyday! hahaha....
keep this going... so i can learn more!!!
24-Jan-2005, 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by Cee_mon
I dont recall anyone making over 300whp on the bat, like you say. Talk to people on this site that have had stock B series motor and what they have gotten outta them.
It might be possible but IMO you will still need to do all pistions/rods/rings in a B series to make over 300whp safely just the same as the D-series.
The biggest advantage for the D series guys is reaching a decent hp range. I dont need over 200whp on my civic, so that is why i stayed with the D instead of swap then turbo.
HP always cost $$$. So what do you want more of?
I dont recall anyone making over 300whp on the bat, like you say. Talk to people on this site that have had stock B series motor and what they have gotten outta them.
It might be possible but IMO you will still need to do all pistions/rods/rings in a B series to make over 300whp safely just the same as the D-series.
The biggest advantage for the D series guys is reaching a decent hp range. I dont need over 200whp on my civic, so that is why i stayed with the D instead of swap then turbo.
HP always cost $$$. So what do you want more of?
JC you got a point. hp cost $$. with that being said, its all about how fast YOU wanna go, how YOU wanna do it BUT most of all if you can afford to meet that goal.
Some ppl like the feel of boost, but they dont need or cant afford 300whp. A steady 200whp via forced induction on a d16 is good econimical choice for those can afford no more than that. So really its not fair to tell somebody who is happy with 200whp on a d16-t "that they should went b18c" If they wanted to go NA, then they would done so.
if your somebody like chris, and you feel that 350 whp just isn't enough, and your willing to fork out the $$, then by all means, go with the b series, then boost it to kingdom come.
In conclusion,
do you wanna go fast?
how fast do you wanna go?
would you prefer boosted or engine swap, or both?
now lets see if your wallet is sufficient for what you want........
