Ksport Version RR Damper System
 

off image in motions website they have these Ksport Version RR Damper System



http://www.imageinmotion.com/KS299-CHD03-RR.htm


they look awesome for the price... anyone know much about this company...

-adjustable perch... slam that and lose no suspension travel
-36-way adjustable
-ajustable pillow-ball mounts (apparently you can adjust your camber from these)

This company even has an 8-piston big brake kit too... lol. 8-piston is kinda overkill for a civic, you prob just get nice and even braking force.


1100 for the coilovers... cant go wrong?


i was originally thinking the teins with the EDFC, but the coilovers will cost me roughly 1400-1500 and another 400 for the EDFC... i may go with this, but if i can save the money.

36 way is overkill. Essentially, you only need "hard" and "soft", 4 or 5 ways is more than you need.

Pillow-ball mounts are junk in my opinion as well unless used for camber adjustment (7th gen I believe). Had pillow-ball mounts when I had Buddy Club R-spec, first thing I did was toss the pillow-ball mounts for OEM top mounts as the pillow-ball makes a ton of noise. By removing the pillow-ball, also got another inch of lower capability (Buddy Club really needed that 1") and zero noise.

Having the adjustabilty was nice, slam the ride and still get suspension travel, but that is almost cancelled out because the suspension is so stiff it dosen't compress enough to really worry about bottoming out, atleast the Buddy Clubs didn't.

KSPORTS are awsome but i do believe they are the second half of a company called d2 i believe and ksport will be bought back from this compnay so get them while there cheap.

im just thinking i want very stiff suspension and yeah, i don't need to mess with 36-way, but if its there, i will just set it once anyway... i have h&r race and agx and dthey are maxxed and its still not stiff enough for me. i want completely solid...


i was also looking at tein flex with the EDFC... they have adj perches and pillow ball mounts as well (I have heard that your suspension will have a lot more stability cornering with these-noisy or not)... I am prob going with the Tein anyway, I just need something super stiff for everyday driving and then for the track as well.

i heard they were having problems with the EDFC. somethin with the pressure inside the struts...i may be wrong though

well, the edfc are just motors that mount on top of the coilovers after install and a little motor just turns the needle insidie the piston to adjust the damper/rebound...

i meant the coilovers when hooked up to the edfc were having proplems. although ive only heard this once could have just been a personal statement i guess.

You want stiffer springs if you want a firm ride, get the specs from the manufacturer.

i want more responsive dampers as well... there is no sense in running rock hard springs with shocks that their valving can't keep up with the spring rate. I don't want a balanced ride... i am asking opinions of people for super stiff coilovers and what ones they found we great quality.

I'm thinking of buying the KSport for my EF. Definately heard good things about it.

For your EK mike, my brother has TEIN FLEX in his EK Hatch. This system is 23 way adjustable (I believe). On street he dials it to 3 on both front and rear. It is pretty damn stiff for the street but I love his suspension, because at the track he dials it to 15f and 17r and it is absolutely SOLID... like break-your-neck solid. Great suspension choice imo.

I'm going to buy KSport on ebay since it seems a little cheaper than $1100.

why not try F2 or also known as Form and Function coilovers...

I also heard Megan Racing is pretty decent as well

making your suspension super stiff doesn't mean it will handle like it's on rails. you could be bouncing all over the place which could be extremely dangerous. ask yourself what you really need out of your suspension, once in a while lapping days but mostly dd, dedicated track car, autox car, etc. if you intend on participating in a few lapping days and dd the car then why not just get race springs. i notice a lot of slammed hondas around sauga that bounce all over the place when they drive and i think it looks retarded.

you are sayinig what i just said above. and its ggoing to be much more than once in a while lappingi days, but yeah, my car does get me back and forth to work and etc. you see, when you just slap on a pair of race springs like you said to do, then you become the kid in mississauga with your car flopping up and down all over mavis rd. lol. i have h& r race and agxs and they are not stiff enough for what i like. i want stiffer.

wow... coilovers on car would be those cars that don't bounce around... it has nothing to do with slamming your car, it has to do with using a lowering spring because it reducing shock/strut travel drastically. With a coilover with an adjustable perch on the bottom allows you to lower the car, but the piston stroke of the shock/strut sstill stays the same. so the car should behave the same 2.5" lowered as with a 0.5" drop in theory... of course the centre of gravity has been shifting so responsiveness will change, but become more responsive.

i want super still suspension all the time. how clean can i be? i like it still all the time, i could care less about whos in my car i want to have the most respnsive handling all the time. thats how i drive.

I sent you a PM about some good suspenion you should look into if you are really hardcore. Although it sounds like you're pretty set on Tein's.

EDFC... plus i know they have the history to back them up and i am willing to spend good money this time, i just want a solid product... the electronic adjustment would be mint, have presets for highway, track, cruising, etc.

i've seen you hopping around sauga before. have you done attended any lapping days before? i spent the whole season last year attending auto x and lapping days with my crappy koni rsk kit to learn what i really need for a good suspension setup. i suggest you go to 1 autox or lapping even before you decide on what to get. SUPER stiff suspension does not mean excellent response. there are a lot of other factors that play a roll in responsiveness. stiffening up the chassis would be a great way to improve this. save the extra money you spend on teins and edfc. go buy a coilover setup like pics or something and have money left to invest in a 4 pt cage or something.

if you goto track days, you'll notice that it's rare to see any tein products other then hood dampers or something on their cars. unless you go with the full track coilover then i wouldn't waste my money on anything else. however, if you do decide to go with a setup like that then your ride would be even worse than your current setup. you spend the extra couple hundred bucks for edfc so you could adjust the dampening level from inside the car? i rather save that money and adjust it manually myself. i'm not knocking on you personally. i'm just trying to give my opinion on what's best to spend your money on.

There is a fine balance between maximum grip, and minimal body roll.

In fact, you should not be tuning your suspension based on stiffness but rather on frequency. The optimum frequency tends to be around 1.9-2.2hz for cars around 1 tonne in mass. As the weight increases this spring frequency decreases, and vice versa. For light cars the spring frequency can reach up to 3hz.

But it also depends on the type of racing you do. If you did rally for example, you would prefer 1.7-1.9hz frequencies so that the suspension could follow all the bumps, and adapt to the softer nature of dirt.

For FWD setups, many times it is beneficial to have the rear stiffer then the front by around .15-.25hz.

There is a lot to know about suspension geometry, and its is not as simple as running the stiffest spring you can find. Factors such as downforce, scrub radius, etc, all have an effect on the overall handling ability of your car.

lol... i would love to see it? have you seen flames either? well,i guess your missing out then.

and well, my car is far from bouncy like some kid that put race springs on stock shocks, but its still a little on the bouncy side and i am thinking thats just cause my shocks arent in the best of shape... nobody can tell me, speedy is like, "ugh... they're gas shocks, we can't tell unless there's oil leaking" which they are gas shocks anyway.

this is why i am tryinig to buy some coilovers... umm, trust me in the department that i know what im looking for in suspension, but i don't know what will work best or be the better quality. you tell me i don't know what i want, but i listed specifically what i wanted.

i know the edfc is more money, is it a luxury item? sure it is, but i want it. if tein is no good, then what is, PIC? im sure they are that much better than an 1800 coilover which is the tein flex that im looking at. as far as i know they are a track coilover meant for circuit racing which is what i am interested in. you know where to get in on them in ssauga? sorry you wait till cayuga opens every year, i have another agenda.

those teins are not super stiff at a 14/8 and they should be decently streetable... and if you look at the top of my thread i didn't say i don't want bouncy, i want firm and grippy as hell (matched with my r-compounds) and if bouncy comes with the territory? i guess i'll have to live with it. man. ppl need to read a whole thread before commenting sometimes.

also, have you ever thought than sanctioned events have diff requirements... as in roll cages put you in once category, sway bars another... what if i don't want to be in those categoriesS? hmmmm?

all i am doing is beaks kit, front and rear sway, sir front and type-r rear and beaks subframe kit... none of that tie-bar doesn't do shut bull****, maybe the c-pillar cause it has a little function... roll cage is least of my worries... i've seen a crx with a fill roll cage on stock suspension and you couldn't even shake it in the shocks cause the body was stiff... \

I wish you the best of luck trying to find a front bar for this EK's. I ended saying fcuk it and bought mine new from Honda....:eek:

yoyooyoy.. did you really have that hard of a time? lol...


so when are both of our friends bands going to have a show together? lol... make for another interesting night of me being drunk and stuck with no ride... lol.


did you ever check out that audio to go store? that kurt guy or whoever isi not there anymore... they have new either owners or a new manager.

Re: Ksport Version RR Damper System
 

The fact that you can adjust the compression and rebound seperately on these will really help your handling.....if your going to do road racing.

If not, single adjustment dampers will do quite well for driving on the street for alot less money.

do you plan on competing with this car? if not then who cares what category you get put into with the mods you have. i just dont understand the logic behind all this. it seems like you're taking all the steps backwards. what happens when you do all this and get to the track and don't like the setup at all? if you really want to be a good driver then you would go learn on street tires first. learn the limits of the car because the limits of the car is totally different on the street compared to the track. learning on street tires first would make u a much better driver when you switch to r compounds. anyways, it seems like you have your mind pretty much set on what you want. we'll see how it goes. the only auto x events i hit up last year were at the brampton center and to go to circuits, i've only gone to shannonville which is pretty damn far away.

The point of adjustable dampers is so that you can change the setup if you don't like it. the dampers deeply affect how the car handles.

While the dampers are an important factor in how your car handles they dont have as pronounced an effect as spring frequency. Adjusting the rebound and compression is important to fine tune your car, but relying on it to solely change your suspension geometry would be a mistake.

ha, i've always ridden on street tires and before you assume someone doesn't know how to drive or know the limits make sure you know them personally first. everyone that i know or has seem me drive can vouch for that and well, of course with street tires like you say. i am getting r compounds not to be a better driver, but so my car will hold on corners with increased speed, but the biggest part is so i can stop a lot faster if you must know. even summer tires lock up too quickly in the situations i find myself in. and if you could come for a ride with me, with twice as much as you've seen i could probably still scare the hell out of you on the street while listening to bob marley and blazing:smoker: with a smile on my face. :checkered.
there is always lots to learn from others so if you are going to be entering any circuit events next year we will probably see each other there, as well as lapping days of course... i like to watch others drive and get pointers as well, makes us all better.

well, i never said i was relying on it to change my suspension geometry. I am looking for something for primarily the track and tarmac racing, but I will also be running it on the streets and comfort is of no concern. Like I said before, I will set it once once i have test time on the track and this is why i want the edfc for. so i can save my settings and then have an alternate setting for the street or highway... i just want it so i can soften up the compression/rebound for highway drives which I do a lot of and just cruisinig around the city. and when spirited driving is on the agenda, have a seperate setting for the streets.

I am well aware of the limits of my car (Bryce can vouch that we have tested them many times, sometimes learning a lesson, but never making the same mistake twice) and know what I am looking for in terms of what does what and what i am going to use it for.

Your right, you can't assume what someone knows about the limits of their car. Unless you've driven with them and know them personally.

I could take you guys on a road I know and make my passenger piss their pants...lol....muaahahaha...(not naming streets so don't ask :wink: ) How fast a car can go has alot to do with the driver and his/her knowledge of their own cars limits, and knowledge of the track their racing on.

As for dampers and springs affecting your handling....yes your spring rate will ultimately show a greater change in the handling of a car, but dampers are highly under rated and missunderstood (not saying anyone here doesn't understand what a damper does). A really good set of dampers with seperately adjustable compression and rebound, or even a 3 way adjustable set (with high and low speed compression adjustment and rebound adjustment) CAN have a deeper affect on the handling characteristics of a car than you may think.

Your dampers deeply help control weight transfer: side to side, forward to back on accel, and back to forward on braking, and all combinations there of.

Can you find out if the dampers you are looking at are digressive, progressive or linnear? This also affects how the dampers will perform. You'll want a stiffer setting for lower damper piston velocity and a softer setting for high damper piston velocity. Most weight transfers (deaccelerating, turning into a corner) happens with lower damper piston velocities so a stiffer setting here will help give the car much better response and keep the tires on the ground. hitting a large rut or bump, you'll want a softer setting so that tire doesn't 'bounce' off the track, instead it's allowed to move up then quickly back down to maintain contact with the track.



I love discussing this kind of stuff!!:D .....yeah, I'm a geak!:p

You mean, springs?

By dampers, I mean shock absorbers.

Springs are.....uh.....springs.:wink:

Yes I did....You'll see a whole load of rear sway bars for the EK come up for sale. The front sway is like the rear OEM lip; rare. If you spot one, grab it right quick.

My friend's band (Instamentalz) is playing th Smiling Buddha again and I have another band of a friend (The Steady Rollers) who is playing another couple shows around the GTA. I doubt whether those will play together with LTE since it seems Bryce is moving on up doing a gigs in LA and all.

I just never heard of digressive, progressive or linnear shock absorbers.

I think i am going to go with Ksports myself, just trying to find best pricing on them, looks like they have better reviews than the PIC's and they are cheaper too....also doent ******** charge more for the PIC's then they they are listed for on PIC's website (CDN)?

1100 is a bit pricey.
there are some other reputable full coilovers that you can get from the states for under 900.
check h-t for more.

btw, ill take the race springs off you.

I have yet to see a negative review about the pic's, If u compare the specs of pic's to ksports you can clearly see which one is better.

Proven, repeatable track performance should be the determining factor in choosing a coilover, but its easy to be blinded by the bling and small price tags.

Yeah, not many ppl have....

It's pretty cool stuff.....google it.:)