imported_mikepasini

off image in motions website they have these Ksport Version RR Damper System



http://www.imageinmotion.com/KS299-CHD03-RR.htm


they look awesome for the price... anyone know much about this company...

-adjustable perch... slam that and lose no suspension travel
-36-way adjustable
-ajustable pillow-ball mounts (apparently you can adjust your camber from these)

This company even has an 8-piston big brake kit too... lol. 8-piston is kinda overkill for a civic, you prob just get nice and even braking force.


1100 for the coilovers... cant go wrong?


i was originally thinking the teins with the EDFC, but the coilovers will cost me roughly 1400-1500 and another 400 for the EDFC... i may go with this, but if i can save the money.

Nova_Dust

36 way is overkill. Essentially, you only need "hard" and "soft", 4 or 5 ways is more than you need.

imported_alwaysoverkill

Pillow-ball mounts are junk in my opinion as well unless used for camber adjustment (7th gen I believe). Had pillow-ball mounts when I had Buddy Club R-spec, first thing I did was toss the pillow-ball mounts for OEM top mounts as the pillow-ball makes a ton of noise. By removing the pillow-ball, also got another inch of lower capability (Buddy Club really needed that 1") and zero noise.

Having the adjustabilty was nice, slam the ride and still get suspension travel, but that is almost cancelled out because the suspension is so stiff it dosen't compress enough to really worry about bottoming out, atleast the Buddy Clubs didn't.

Tyson09

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KSPORTS are awsome but i do believe they are the second half of a company called d2 i believe and ksport will be bought back from this compnay so get them while there cheap.

imported_mikepasini

im just thinking i want very stiff suspension and yeah, i don't need to mess with 36-way, but if its there, i will just set it once anyway... i have h&r race and agx and dthey are maxxed and its still not stiff enough for me. i want completely solid...


i was also looking at tein flex with the EDFC... they have adj perches and pillow ball mounts as well (I have heard that your suspension will have a lot more stability cornering with these-noisy or not)... I am prob going with the Tein anyway, I just need something super stiff for everyday driving and then for the track as well.

Tyson09

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i heard they were having problems with the EDFC. somethin with the pressure inside the struts...i may be wrong though

imported_mikepasini

well, the edfc are just motors that mount on top of the coilovers after install and a little motor just turns the needle insidie the piston to adjust the damper/rebound...

Tyson09

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i meant the coilovers when hooked up to the edfc were having proplems. although ive only heard this once could have just been a personal statement i guess.

Nova_Dust

You want stiffer springs if you want a firm ride, get the specs from the manufacturer.

imported_mikepasini

i want more responsive dampers as well... there is no sense in running rock hard springs with shocks that their valving can't keep up with the spring rate. I don't want a balanced ride... i am asking opinions of people for super stiff coilovers and what ones they found we great quality.

kimchee

I'm thinking of buying the KSport for my EF. Definately heard good things about it.

For your EK mike, my brother has TEIN FLEX in his EK Hatch. This system is 23 way adjustable (I believe). On street he dials it to 3 on both front and rear. It is pretty damn stiff for the street but I love his suspension, because at the track he dials it to 15f and 17r and it is absolutely SOLID... like break-your-neck solid. Great suspension choice imo.

I'm going to buy KSport on ebay since it seems a little cheaper than $1100.

imported_JDM_Outlaw

why not try F2 or also known as Form and Function coilovers...

I also heard Megan Racing is pretty decent as well

imported_SaYjAiBaO

making your suspension super stiff doesn't mean it will handle like it's on rails. you could be bouncing all over the place which could be extremely dangerous. ask yourself what you really need out of your suspension, once in a while lapping days but mostly dd, dedicated track car, autox car, etc. if you intend on participating in a few lapping days and dd the car then why not just get race springs. i notice a lot of slammed hondas around sauga that bounce all over the place when they drive and i think it looks retarded.

imported_mikepasini

you are sayinig what i just said above. and its ggoing to be much more than once in a while lappingi days, but yeah, my car does get me back and forth to work and etc. you see, when you just slap on a pair of race springs like you said to do, then you become the kid in mississauga with your car flopping up and down all over mavis rd. lol. i have h& r race and agxs and they are not stiff enough for what i like. i want stiffer.

wow... coilovers on car would be those cars that don't bounce around... it has nothing to do with slamming your car, it has to do with using a lowering spring because it reducing shock/strut travel drastically. With a coilover with an adjustable perch on the bottom allows you to lower the car, but the piston stroke of the shock/strut sstill stays the same. so the car should behave the same 2.5" lowered as with a 0.5" drop in theory... of course the centre of gravity has been shifting so responsiveness will change, but become more responsive.

i want super still suspension all the time. how clean can i be? i like it still all the time, i could care less about whos in my car i want to have the most respnsive handling all the time. thats how i drive.

imported_2join performance

I sent you a PM about some good suspenion you should look into if you are really hardcore. Although it sounds like you're pretty set on Tein's.

imported_mikepasini

EDFC... plus i know they have the history to back them up and i am willing to spend good money this time, i just want a solid product... the electronic adjustment would be mint, have presets for highway, track, cruising, etc.

imported_SaYjAiBaO

i've seen you hopping around sauga before. have you done attended any lapping days before? i spent the whole season last year attending auto x and lapping days with my crappy koni rsk kit to learn what i really need for a good suspension setup. i suggest you go to 1 autox or lapping even before you decide on what to get. SUPER stiff suspension does not mean excellent response. there are a lot of other factors that play a roll in responsiveness. stiffening up the chassis would be a great way to improve this. save the extra money you spend on teins and edfc. go buy a coilover setup like pics or something and have money left to invest in a 4 pt cage or something.

if you goto track days, you'll notice that it's rare to see any tein products other then hood dampers or something on their cars. unless you go with the full track coilover then i wouldn't waste my money on anything else. however, if you do decide to go with a setup like that then your ride would be even worse than your current setup. you spend the extra couple hundred bucks for edfc so you could adjust the dampening level from inside the car? i rather save that money and adjust it manually myself. i'm not knocking on you personally. i'm just trying to give my opinion on what's best to spend your money on.

imported_2join performance

There is a fine balance between maximum grip, and minimal body roll.

In fact, you should not be tuning your suspension based on stiffness but rather on frequency. The optimum frequency tends to be around 1.9-2.2hz for cars around 1 tonne in mass. As the weight increases this spring frequency decreases, and vice versa. For light cars the spring frequency can reach up to 3hz.

But it also depends on the type of racing you do. If you did rally for example, you would prefer 1.7-1.9hz frequencies so that the suspension could follow all the bumps, and adapt to the softer nature of dirt.

For FWD setups, many times it is beneficial to have the rear stiffer then the front by around .15-.25hz.

There is a lot to know about suspension geometry, and its is not as simple as running the stiffest spring you can find. Factors such as downforce, scrub radius, etc, all have an effect on the overall handling ability of your car.

imported_mikepasini

lol... i would love to see it? have you seen flames either? well,i guess your missing out then.

and well, my car is far from bouncy like some kid that put race springs on stock shocks, but its still a little on the bouncy side and i am thinking thats just cause my shocks arent in the best of shape... nobody can tell me, speedy is like, "ugh... they're gas shocks, we can't tell unless there's oil leaking" which they are gas shocks anyway.

this is why i am tryinig to buy some coilovers... umm, trust me in the department that i know what im looking for in suspension, but i don't know what will work best or be the better quality. you tell me i don't know what i want, but i listed specifically what i wanted.

i know the edfc is more money, is it a luxury item? sure it is, but i want it. if tein is no good, then what is, PIC? im sure they are that much better than an 1800 coilover which is the tein flex that im looking at. as far as i know they are a track coilover meant for circuit racing which is what i am interested in. you know where to get in on them in ssauga? sorry you wait till cayuga opens every year, i have another agenda.

those teins are not super stiff at a 14/8 and they should be decently streetable... and if you look at the top of my thread i didn't say i don't want bouncy, i want firm and grippy as hell (matched with my r-compounds) and if bouncy comes with the territory? i guess i'll have to live with it. man. ppl need to read a whole thread before commenting sometimes.

imported_mikepasini

also, have you ever thought than sanctioned events have diff requirements... as in roll cages put you in once category, sway bars another... what if i don't want to be in those categoriesS? hmmmm?

all i am doing is beaks kit, front and rear sway, sir front and type-r rear and beaks subframe kit... none of that tie-bar doesn't do shut bull****, maybe the c-pillar cause it has a little function... roll cage is least of my worries... i've seen a crx with a fill roll cage on stock suspension and you couldn't even shake it in the shocks cause the body was stiff... \