imported_Team Rukus

chris what you have to understand is people that say 8k for a gsr dont know what they are talking or they are just pricing it including all good parts ie. bolt on's that will make the motor even faster.

chris_si98

im just messing around buddy lol

gooseshit

if u put some thuoght into it, it can be bone for $5000

imported_Zyepher

HACK into it, it can be bone for $5000

imported_Team Rukus

i wouldnt say that exactly.
it all depends on what connections you have.
realistically all you need is the mounts and shifter cables/box and some lines.

everything else can be modified to work and work properly at that. and you see k20a2's go for 2500 and there you got yourself a 5000 grand swap.

RDub99

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it all depends on the money and your goals really.. some people say you can do a mildly built b for the same money, but if money doesn't matter to you then you can get greater numbers by building the K.. it's all up to you and what you prefer..

imported_VinceTEC

This is a pretty good post... lots of views on the swap!

There are alot of little short-cuts you can take to make the swap cheaper. The stock fuel rail can be tapped to make a return line, the ECU can be hacked to the immobilizer is removed, the shafts can be re-headed RSX's, the shifter can be mounted "truck style", you can use a chopped & modified TSX header, you don't need to get a Revo box... any RSX-S or 01+ Civic shifter box works fine, guys have figured out how to run a 2-pulley setup so you don't need the EP3 idler pully setup, etc, etc.

Things you obviously need are the complete engine & transmission, mounts, wiring harness (so much easier), rsx thermo unit & coolant switch, and get yourself an OE replacement RSX rad... it's full sized and has the coolant switch port in it already.

It is possible to do the swap for cheap and it's relatively easy to do if you're mechanically inclined... BUT, you won't get the hp gains with a chopped TSX header & stock type s or r ECU, you'll probably end up breaking reheaded shafts if you take it to the track, etc.

To be honest, the K moves like no other option... it's instant power and it just wants to keep going and going. Yes, a turbo motor puts out higher numbers, but it's a different kind of fun. Turbo isn't constant power, you obviously can't stay in boost range all the time. You also have to consider the reliability factor... it's pretty easy to get a TypeS to 200-210whp with just an intake, header, exhaust, and Hondata. To get a B or D in that whp range, you're sacrificing some reliability & build issues... the K20 will be pretty much stock still.

All I can say is... it's a completely different feeling, especially on the highway, you can just drop into 5th and walk.

1sykcoupe

b16 yeah!! K series won't be done in 3800 proli ... even for those who can do their own labor don't wanna do it cuz it can get pricey!

stock94block

haha wow, $8000 on an engine swap...for that money i would start looking into buying an RSX and avoid all the hassle.

Nova_Dust

If you like HP, then any engine is fine as long as you have money. How much do you think is enough? 400whp? Can an average person even handle or make full use of 400whp? Or even 200whp? So, if maximum HP is you goal, then you definitely have more options than a K engine.

At this very point, K engine swap is really (for average person) a show off thing more than anything else. A trendy engine to have so when you pop the hood the guy next to you will go "wow". (but there is nothing wrong with that)

And if you really have the money, you wouldn't be swapping engine and wondering if 8000 dollars for 210whp is worth the hassle, because you will be walking into a BMW dealership and point to that Montreal Blue colour 2 door coupe that has three stripes and a number 3 next to it and say "dude, where is my key?".

Just a thought.

RDub99

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that was good!

8.5K

i don't know, man. JDM 18C-R's make about 170whp stock. with an good header (RMF ) 3"AEM CAI, 2.5" exhaust and tuning, people have made in excess of 190whp easily. don't discredit B's yet. and, you can't tell me B's when built, lose reliability. thats complete BS. don't get me wrong, i love K. but, its not nearly as fast as people think. yes, its easier to make power, but, everyone keeps forgetting its a 2L or 2.4L. regardless of whether or not its K. 2L B's make 200whp with basic bolts on's and tuning. H22 make just as much power at a fraction of the cost. yes, K is the new ****. but, it has in no way shape or form impressed me to the point that i'd throw nearly $8K away to make 220whp. that just stupid. look at it this way...everybody's eyes bust when they see a modded K24 make 180wtq, but, h22's make 144wtq stock, and full race B's have exceeded 190wtq. in the end, to build a K24 make to make 240whp & 160wtq+ would be the cost of building a fully sleeved 18C, 2L B series monster. and, the B will still be less than 2000cc's. when we can compare a 2.4L B with a 2.4L K, then those that don't know will see the truth.

Nova_Dust

I have always wondered if you take a B20, buit it to the same spec as a K20 (cam profile, and such), how much difference will there be.

8.5K

probably not much. my B20V made 200whp@7600rpm with the most basic bolt ons. stock PR3 head, ITR cams, stock untouched JDM b20B shortblock, ported p30 IM, SRI, Fakedata IM gasket, Mugen 4-2-1 w/2.38" collector, 2.5" str8 pipe & SS 2.5 mandrel piping into a 2.5" str8 thru muffler. it doesn't get more basic than that. oh yeah, also Hondata tuning. my torque was in the 140wtq area.

B20 block-$400
ITR cams & PR3 head-$400
Mugen header-$200 (i was in the right place at the right time)
IM gasket-$40
ported IM-$60
exhaust w/b pipe-$300
SRI-$30
Hondata & tuning-$800

this car was tuned and ran perfect until i sold it. what's that, a bit over $2200? that's not even a built B20. all HOP

Nova_Dust

There you go. That's what I have been thinking, is that if you build another 2 liter Honda engine with OE parts and more or less OE specs, the difference should be relative the same.

8.5K, you have a completely stock B20 bottom? Still using that flat top 84mm piston?

8.5K

abso****in'lutely bone stock oem untouched jdm b20b shortblock. yes, it had the oem flat tops, stock bore. i know for a fact that i could have made 25-30whp more if i had built it. and i'm talking conservative tune, on 91 octane with less than 11.5/1 c.r. how much compression does a k20 type s have? LOL. i was sitting at 9.5/1 or so compression ratio with my b20v. give me 2 full points of compression (which should equate into 8% more power, instantly), a mild port, RMF header, JG IM and some BC4's and 10K and we'll see what would happen . it would be over, man. honestly, alot of people just don't know. lastly, almost every good K20/K24 dyno i have seen had IPS K2 cams, DTR or equivalent header, 3" exhaust etc. do you K lovers even know what type of dough the header alone costs? don't get your hopes so high people. not for a few years or so. the K is in an early st8 of tune. eventually power will be attainable at a reasonble price. but for now, its a waste. i mean even at 240whp it gonna cast over $12K. i can build a sleeved 18C that makes close to 240whp for half of that price. holla

Nova_Dust

But does the piston have enough room (that seat area) for VTEC valves? I guess it is ok as long as you don't run too aggressive cams that pushes the valves too deep to hit the piston and band it?

ElitE Perf.

i can get all the parts for the swap i mean everything to basicly drop the motor in any chassis for 2600 US so no more then 3000 canadian ( found dc5r ecu so no hondata needed)

motor i bought for 2300 COMPLETE so my build cost 5300 give or take couple bucks for oem honda bits i had to get

ppl analise things way too... much and like what was said earlier
try and do your own work and research and there ARE a couple of short cut that can save you about 1000 bucks

imported_Spiderman

^^^Where can you get the complete swap for 2600US???

projecteg

straight up. K OWNS. i am planning to do one for multiple reasons. RELIABILITY. build your D or B and take it to the track. kapow. rod through the block. wammy goes the piston through the hood. the most you will do with a K is beat it hard so it fries the rings. you have HUGE potential. and it is baller status. every guy has a b16. even gsr or go crazy and pay 4k for a type r. for another 1500 you can get a jdm K. and the biggest reason. is the torque. jdm K R has HUGE TORQUE. horsepower sells. torque gets you across the finish line.PERIOD. K OWNS.