Chigga1

im kinda curious?

b/c i know you can get a LS block for dirt cheap, and a VTEC head for cheap as well.... so why not build????

this would be a wicked project for me!
slow but surely!!!

i also work in a machine shop so do drill into the block and pipe tap it for oil lines is basically an easy job, just figuring how to do it would be a biatch!

any tips are appreciated!

is it worth the hassles????

is it worth the patiences to build a FRANK motor???

lates!

i got a B16a2 but i might build a project!

imported_eth0r

damn..it all depends on where u build it.. how much u actually build it.. and where u get ur parts from..if u thinking of just dropping a vtec head on the block it wont be worth it in the long run.. u really need to build lsvtec motors properly if u wan the most out of them

Chigga1

hey man thanks for the replies!

yeah i was thining that too! i think this project might hit close to 5G's if not over!

P&P the head, doing bottm end work!!!

wowzie's!
mix match of ****!

imported_BoOsTd

if u got 5 gs to spend on parts, like pistons, rods, oil lines, headwork, cams, crankwork, clutch, flywheel..ect ect(free machine work ) than do it man, 5 g's without labour will build you one potent powerplant.. I say do it if you think you have the skills and knowledge to assemble it all, and the tools of course...Do you have any experiance with engin building?

heres a good link, but it includes labour and machine work, so you can come up with your own estimate

ls/vtec link on TCC


I have a few other links bookmarked at work, ill post them saturday, just remind me

dingus8

get everythign balanced, get a gsr block girdle if you can find it (will help hold things together) get rods and pistons je/eagle, get the block "posted" and you are set...keep compression aroudn 11:1 with atleast ctr cams and you shodul see 200 whp easy with soem tunign....

Chigga1

thanks man!

ive been thinking about this b/c i have buddies who spends loads of money on having fun with there cars!

lowriders etc... slammed trucks!

why not I in my motor.
yeah im an apprenticeship which is almost done, i have over 8000 hours in my learning so im just waiting for college to finish so i write my C of Q ( certificate of Qualification ) , as for building an engine i have a buddy who is a mechanic, so i can learn off him, he works at AUTOPARK Mistubishi! I love cars period!

i love my B16a2 but i think this would be quite a fun and interesting project!

imported_BoOsTd

not to mention the torque that will make you laugh at b16s... just the torque alone should put a grinn on your face

Chigga1

thats impressive reading!

thats about the same as a Type R motor!
not bad!

not to mention having HP and Torque!
man i want to start, but im not sure if i want to go with a B18A/B or go with a B20

imported_BoOsTd

if you have the money to have it sleeved...b20 hands down man!!!! IMO it has the most potential, but it requires allot of TLC and $$ to do it right cuz the cylender sleeves are the weakest out of most of the honda fleet.. allot of guys build them then they pop, and loose all the compression cuz they didnt sleeve it... 1,500 for T top sleeves at Letnier, but they claim 40psi of boost capabilites...mmmmmmm just think of potential...

dingus8

what abotu turboign yoru b16...??? that woudl kick the **** ouuta a ls/vtec (in msot cases) 250 whp not crank hp we are talkgin too teh wheels is easy.. jsut get a turbo kit clutch, thicker head gasket (lower compression slightly) injecorts and a afc and you are set...it's an option...

imported_eth0r

Chigga1

im thinking of that too my friend!

Turbo!

imported_mugen_r

Chigga1

mugen R,

ive always been a fan of NA,
ALWAYS!

imported_BoOsTd

then a B18 or b20 buildup is your answer go get the block of your choice and use your b16 head, sell the b16 block and tranny to put towards pistons/ rods/girdle/knifedge crank/ and a gsr tranny w/ LSD and stage 2 clutchmaster/ flywheel... that would be a killer setup and wouldnt put a huge hole in your pocket (assuming you sell the b16 leftovers), im sure the b16 ecu would even work(maybe somone can verify this)

dingus8

mugan jsut say's that cause his car is a slow n/a car that can only run with slow n/a cars...turbo kicks the **** outta n/a for cost effectiveness and streetability for a 12 sec n/a setup you woudl need major weight reduction with atleast a built b18c with big unstreetable cams....fi is different...peoepl talk **** aboutl fi becasue their car's are slower and they need an excuse..."oh well mine is allmotor" and that makes it better some how

N2o get's a even worse wrap...whatever makes yoru car fast who cares hwo you go about it...allmotor costs to much money with the lieks of hondas to go real fast...a allmotor v8 is different

peoepl think to be "jdm mad sick yo...that's sooo jdm yo" you need to have a civic that is n/a with a stright pipe turnign 9500 rpm's liek a gas trimmer through a underpass when really msot of the fast "jdm cars" are turbo charged

imported_mugen_r

The way I see it.

If you have RWD/AWD, you need turbo.
If you have FWD, go with NA

dingus8

b16 ecu woudl work fine with bigger injecotrs and a vafc to tune (afc is key) jsut so you keep the rev's to a stock 8200 rpm's that's why I woudln't "chip it" cause 99% have no rev limiters or a 9000 or higher one... which spells kaboom

if you coudl find a custom chip to ricken it up more and have the afc to tuen futher that woudl be best

imported_BoOsTd

fi/n2o is the way of the future so to speak, its just a different style/setup to create ppower... people talk like ya my motor is better cuz its all motor, and im not "cheating" by putting a nitrous kit on or fi... they think well my motor is better because if i threw on all those "cheater toys" on my motor it would kill yours... well thats not the case, becaue an all motor is built with highcompression to push those numbers...so if mr all motor decides to put a turbo on his motor it will pop from the high compression... its just 2 different styles of makeing power, how is that cheating...

Like whos to be the judge that 12.5:1 compression pistons isnt cheating, is a big exhaust, and huge cams cheating too? power is power is power, whether its a rotory RX7, alcohol funny car, or a jet turbine... power is power!!!! make it how u want, to me the guy with the most power with the most efficiancy is the best, no matter how you do it...

imported_BoOsTd

The best adivice i can pass on to you, as barbbalo told me, plann out your build before even looking for your parts snd stick to the plann...if you want a b18 turbo setup then that changes your decisions on which pistons/ head gaskets/manifolds injectors electronics to buy...

so decide FI/n2o or all motor, then the guys here can help you pick out the right parts to buy...

but before you go anyfurther, get your block take a pic of it so we can see then im sure you will get endless help from the guys here