Eg in it

do you guys think the h22 would be a good engine for the track, cause i no its quick in the 1/4 mile but ive heard u cant go too low cause the oil pan sits really low..........or do you think the type R would a better engine for the track??

Buff 'n Stuff

I think H22

http://www.torontocivics.com/tccforu...&threadid=7332

imported_94EG6HB

H22 for 1/4 Mile cause its a front heavy ****...

Type R for the track because of better weight distribution..

Eg in it

u think the R would kill it or would it be close??

Mugen C

Personal opinion...given that both are Civic:

1/4 mile H22 will smoke the B18C5

Track...B18C5 will bit the H22

regards,
Mugen C

EK7_DriftMania

I totally agree with "Mugen C" and "94EG6HB." The H22A is 2.2L and B18C5 is a 1.8L which means that the H22A is bigger and heavier. I know people that have a H22A in a seden and in a hatch, they said that they can not handle it at high speed cornnering. I checked up on a few books and found out why. Civic did not come with a good weight distribution setup originally. By putting more weight at the front end will induce on understeering, like those guys that couldn't control their H22A in a civic (depends on how fast you go around corners and the degrees of those turns). True that H22a is faster in a straight line, b/c of its big torque. I believe that with the right setup, it could be fast and controllable - although, it is expremely hard to tune this kind of setup in a civic, due to the type of suspension setup the manufacturers bestow upon it. What's the use of power, if you have no control. I have talked to alot of experts on the perfect setup. I have tried this experiment myself - to induce on oversteer so the car can turn more, decrease the traction on the rear with a fat sway bar and leaving the front soft (becareful when braking). That is how I setup for the track, it's pretty new for me, I'm still in the testing mode, I find it very reliable, it should also work for the B18C, and maybe the H22A (it's a scary engine). By adding a H22A to the front, the car becomes extremely unblance. A fix to this problem is to "bias" more roll stiffness towards the rear. By making rear sway bar stiffer or making the front one softer, we are taking some of the front weight transfer duty and giving it to the rear. If this setup was done to a car that have rear independent torsion beam suspension, then you could lower the car and add a stiffer front bar. The Torsion beam acts as a very large and very stiff sway bar. The only car that I know with this kind of power is the VW VR6 GTI (200hp and 197 torque), killer setup.
If you are going with any of the two setup, just remember that it takes alot of skills to master, b/c hard braking on cornering would cause excessive spin, perfect for track but not good for street application. If you are going with that much power, you much first master all the driving techniques (FWD drifting - heel-toe with handbreak etc...)

imported_SW20 MR2

Another thing you need to consider is the availability of parts. Performance parts for the B-series motors are MUCH more readily available than H-series.

KS-R

Well so far we have one Civic running H22A and it handles like a charm.. even better than when he had a B18C in it.. it's all a matter of how you setup the suspension.

EXR 2NV

me and my friend where talking about this..and about the understear part with the H22..
we came up with a pretty kool idea...why not just put subs, amps in the back to make up for that extra wight in front..then you'll have somewhat of a balance....right?...
we could be wrong.. it was just an idea.

Mugen C

Umm, wondering who would that be...

Mugen C

EK7_DriftMania

KS-R: I never say that it can't turn or it won't corner (at a specific speed), what my post was saying, was it would not do as well in the corners compared to the B18C due to weight shifting characteristics. If Honda was a RWD car, then it would be different. I am talking about race speed into a corner, not normal 80km/h into a 60 degree. Weight shifting is a problem on the race track (different in drag setup), no matter what the suspension setup is - prefessional race car have special cam gears and internal components that are super lightweight to reduce weight, that is why the revs are between 10,000 -13,000 rpm. Some cars put their computers and hardwares in different places in the to for certain tracks. That is why they have a practise day, qualifying and then race day. If what you are saying is true, then why are so many prefessional race cars stress so much over reducing weights. Hard to say, never seen you race. Maybe you can proof me wrong. Because no matter how fast you go in a straight line, eventually you will have to brake to take a corner, the one that brake the lease is faster. Proof me wrong. I did mention I know people with H22A in seden and a HB.

EXR 2NV: Like that one. Too bad it does not work that way, putting all that weight in the back will cause other problems, not to mention that it would slow it down a bit. But if you would to put all that weight in the back with a small engine, then it would be different.