Engine Swap
17-Dec-2002, 07:25 PM
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Engine Swap
B16a complete swap
B18(A or B) complete swap
H22A complete swap
Into a gen5 hatch..
Which would be the best way to go?
B18(A or B) complete swap
H22A complete swap
Into a gen5 hatch..
Which would be the best way to go?
17-Dec-2002, 07:32 PM
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whats ure budget?
17-Dec-2002, 07:38 PM
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Go with the h22 total monster
i stopped by ksr today and guess what i saw that's right a h22 being dropped into i believe it was either a 97 or 98 civic hatchback. That's a total sleeper that thing will destroy the competition on the street 
i stopped by ksr today and guess what i saw that's right a h22 being dropped into i believe it was either a 97 or 98 civic hatchback. That's a total sleeper that thing will destroy the competition on the street
17-Dec-2002, 07:55 PM
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Thats what I was thinking..
A bolt in kit from HASport or something
A bolt in kit from HASport or something
17-Dec-2002, 08:08 PM
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its a beast alright.
what about reliability, traction.
we must not forget that.
90ls
what about reliability, traction.
we must not forget that.
90ls
17-Dec-2002, 10:55 PM
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.... plus isn't H22 install cost alot of money to do? since its not direct fit in most civics.
17-Dec-2002, 11:24 PM
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I overheard its really expensive...
why not a B20vtec, ain't that a sleeper too?
why not a B20vtec, ain't that a sleeper too?
17-Dec-2002, 11:42 PM
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It's all up to you man, what do you wnt to achieve ?? Do you wanta 1/4 mile car than get am h22 If you wanta bit of both handling and everyday driving go with the b18 and if i were you honestly for a regular everyday driver i would go with a b16 or b17 a bit less on power but the handling will still be good and it is a very common swap
I'm not to sure about the price of the b18 swap but ihear that is a good combo too 5 gen and a b18, normally your budget will guide you good luck and let us know what you decide
If you wanta bit of both handling and everyday driving go with the b18 and if i were you honestly for a regular everyday driver i would go with a b16 or b17 a bit less on power but the handling will still be good and it is a very common swap I'm not to sure about the price of the b18 swap but ihear that is a good combo too 5 gen and a b18, normally your budget will guide you good luck and let us know what you decide
18-Dec-2002, 10:15 AM
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well i drove a 97 civic from osaka in montreal with a h22...did it ever go.. no rev limiter no speed limiter...the vtech was pretty strong...now the engine itself is not very expensive you can pick one up for about 2000 to 3000 conmplete....if you are putting it into a 92 95 civic you are better of by buying the hasport mounts which go for about $700 usd shipped to your house.....so you are looking at about a max5000 dollar sick killer 200hp swap..i dont know how it will do for under and over steer since i just drove it hard in a straigh line but it handle pretty good......
18-Dec-2002, 10:37 AM
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Where the **** do you get complete H22A swaps for $2-3K? Is it at www.stolenhondaengines.com?? 
They're like $4000+ USD plus the swap kit!! And it handled pretty good...for a straight line, right? It's an extra 300 lbs over a D series I think...not a good place to put 300 lbs. Besides, you should really get softer than normal springs for the front, and maybe a little harder in the back. I know this goes against intuition, but stiffer end goes into the guardrail first...so with a heavy engine, you need to allow for a little more weight transfer. But that's something that needs to be figured out at a later time. B20VTECs are A LOT OF MONEY TO BUILD....and it's not really a "complete swap" as ppl picture it. It involves machine work and a new bottom end. B17A crank and custom rods/pistons from endyn...The Old One.
They're like $4000+ USD plus the swap kit!! And it handled pretty good...for a straight line, right? It's an extra 300 lbs over a D series I think...not a good place to put 300 lbs. Besides, you should really get softer than normal springs for the front, and maybe a little harder in the back. I know this goes against intuition, but stiffer end goes into the guardrail first...so with a heavy engine, you need to allow for a little more weight transfer. But that's something that needs to be figured out at a later time. B20VTECs are A LOT OF MONEY TO BUILD....and it's not really a "complete swap" as ppl picture it. It involves machine work and a new bottom end. B17A crank and custom rods/pistons from endyn...The Old One.
18-Dec-2002, 10:52 AM
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here is an h22 engine for sale for 900usd
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1874600749
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1874600749
18-Dec-2002, 10:54 AM
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ohhh look i found another for 1500 usd and its from japan..
ps is not from www.stolenhondaengines.com..almost new
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1874689627
ps is not from www.stolenhondaengines.com..almost new
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1874689627
18-Dec-2002, 10:56 AM
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and look i found mounts for cheaper price.....than what i said...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1875025460
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1875025460
18-Dec-2002, 11:07 AM
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wait...ohh yes i found another site inUSA with h22 or h23 FOR ONLY thats right less than 2000 USD.....
Honda Prelude
Year Engine
88-90 B20 A3 SOHC $1682.00
88-91 B20 DOHC $1682.00
90-91 B21 DOHC $1682.00
90-95 F22 SOHC $1682.00
93 H22 DOHC VTEC CALL $1873.00
92-95 H23 DOHC $1682.00
Honda Prelude
Year Engine
88-90 B20 A3 SOHC $1682.00
88-91 B20 DOHC $1682.00
90-91 B21 DOHC $1682.00
90-95 F22 SOHC $1682.00
93 H22 DOHC VTEC CALL $1873.00
92-95 H23 DOHC $1682.00
18-Dec-2002, 11:08 AM
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http://www.mmrusa.com/gudehead.htm
18-Dec-2002, 11:14 AM
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NON RECOMENDED SWAP
H22A (Prelude VTEC) in any Civic/CRX/Integra
The H22A engine leans in the wrong direction
Civic engines have blocks that lean forward while the H22A block leans backwards, towards the firewall. Even though custom fabrication will mount engine, it's still not suitable for this chassis.
Fabrication issues
Custom fabrication is required to get the H22 engine to fit. The stock motor mounts have to be removed and new mounts relocated, making this an expensive job. Modern day cars are designed from the ground up as an integrated structure, and this includes the engine. Moving mounts around causes the structural characteristics to change. Furthermore, it also increases the chance of a screwup happening.
Chronic understeer
The heavy load up front will cause tons of understeer. Furthermore, the added power up front will cause the front end to lose traction too easily. What you have is a car that goes fast, only in a straight line.
H22A (Prelude VTEC) in any Civic/CRX/Integra
The H22A engine leans in the wrong direction
Civic engines have blocks that lean forward while the H22A block leans backwards, towards the firewall. Even though custom fabrication will mount engine, it's still not suitable for this chassis.
Fabrication issues
Custom fabrication is required to get the H22 engine to fit. The stock motor mounts have to be removed and new mounts relocated, making this an expensive job. Modern day cars are designed from the ground up as an integrated structure, and this includes the engine. Moving mounts around causes the structural characteristics to change. Furthermore, it also increases the chance of a screwup happening.
Chronic understeer
The heavy load up front will cause tons of understeer. Furthermore, the added power up front will cause the front end to lose traction too easily. What you have is a car that goes fast, only in a straight line.
18-Dec-2002, 11:15 AM
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96-00 Prelude H22A Engine
Swap: $3100.00USD
• 2200cc(2.2L) DOHC Vtec.
• 200hp / 161trq / 10.6:1 cr.
• Hydraulic tranny type
• Inquire within for LSD equipped trans. (not all trans are LSD equipped).
• Inquire within if you prefer the U.S. version of the this engine.
Another one:
96+
Fully Complete
PRICES START @
$4500.00USD
IN STOCK
Reserve not met on your engines....
Swap: $3100.00USD
• 2200cc(2.2L) DOHC Vtec.
• 200hp / 161trq / 10.6:1 cr.
• Hydraulic tranny type
• Inquire within for LSD equipped trans. (not all trans are LSD equipped).
• Inquire within if you prefer the U.S. version of the this engine.
Another one:
96+
Fully Complete
PRICES START @
$4500.00USD
IN STOCK
Reserve not met on your engines....
18-Dec-2002, 11:29 AM
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well if you look for the most expensive prices of course you will find some(which sites did you find this)....any ways i dont think that cronus will buy the 4000usd engine...unless he has the money.....so we both got our points across!!!!!
