imported_Moe_Mentum

Well I would say if you factor in the price of the car plus upgrades then you are probably looking at close to 20k unless you buy an older civic. All I know is when the time comes and I have the money, I am definetly buying a nicer car, and not upgrading any civic.

VTEC_Thunder

Why should it cost so much?

If you know the right equipement to buy and how to set it up...it's not that hard or expensive.

scott newman

What you are missing, is you keep saying you know how to set it up, Who knows this. Lots of people you say, well those people make money by making civics go fast, its not free. Remember for the average driver. I can do it, you may be able to but most people just bring their cars in to a shop. And to have the cost of the car, an engnie swap then the turbo you are at 20 k for sure. not everyone has an sir with the stock b16 in it. And I would think that only a race civic would do minute 30s at mosport. with a professional driver. Nothing is impossible but we are talking about the average driver.

chris_si98

You're kidding right?

Like scott mentioned the average civic driver doesn't know the difference btw a turbo and supercharger. They will dump a huge amount of money to go fast, labour for a swap+turbo install+tuning will reach around $2000-2500 easily alone. I know one guy who spent $15,000 on his set-up and that wasn't even with install... and he wasn't even all that quick for 15g's

zeeman

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i know people who've dumped $40,000 dollars into their CRX. He kept taking it to the WRONG people (boost, splitfire) and kept getting taken for his money. He spent $7000 at boost then towed it right to splitfire where he spent $11,000. His car already had a b16 in it, and was already turbo'd, so how the hell did he spend $18,000 on his car that was already turbo'd? Good question, splitfire would just replace parts on his car, then give him the bill (without consulting him first) and unfortunately a lot of places will do this to customers. He also had someone build his b16 (half assed i should mention) and put the turbo stuff on the first time. The engine lasted about 3 months before i started to smoke and loose compression, this was b/c he was using a FMU and prelude injectors with no sort of ignition timing retard. This was what the guy who did his work recommended.
Its all about getting the right people to do the work. If you take it to the right people, they won't make you waste money on parts you don't need and they'll do the work right the FIRST time.

szuberi

^ $40K on a CRX???? thats messed up

chris_si98

lenny, you talking about the prx??

VTEC_Thunder

You guys have a good point and I agree with you 100%.

The average civic owner maybe doesn't know what parts to buy or how to set it up....all I'm saying is with the right knowlege you can make a fast civic without spending 20g's......

brianmcgaugh

And what else can cause detonation?
excessive blowby which alot of boosted hondas are prone to having. so excessive blowby (which introduces excessive oil and contaiements into the cylinder) and a hi mileage motor will have a good chance of ring failure no matter the quality of the tune.

zeeman

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I agree completely with this.
Excessive oil blowby will introduce oil and oil vapours into the cylinder which CAN (not saying IT WILL) decrease the octane rating of your fuel.
There are many reasons (other than a bad tune) that boosted engines can blow up.
If the engine was burning oil or weak before the turbo, the added pressure inside the combustion chamber will take its toll, no matter how good the tune.
Lots of people don't do anything about excess vapours in the crankcase. They'll just unhook the PCV valve so boost won't get into the crankcase, and run little filter on their valve cover. If i ever had a turbo car i'd for damn sure be at least running some Krank Vent Mini's, or a nice catch can with a vacuum source or exhaust slash cut.
If you've got a weak oilling system the oil demand of a turbo could be an issue as well (spun bearing).
But i do agree with scott, the blown honda engines i've seen from boost usually bust the ringlands, or a big hole through the block b/c a connecting rod let go.

brianmcgaugh

I believe that was one of the problems with my stock LS i kept the pvc system completly stock.
I now run a catch can using a fitting on the back of the block.
thats gonna go though and im gonna use dual fittings on the front of my VC next season.

chris_si98

i hope you are now using an alternate vacuum source for your pcv system...instead of using the intake manifold

zeeman

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i'd do up an exhaust slash cut, i wouldn't want ANY oil vapours getting into my engine, or going through my turbo.

brianmcgaugh

PVC system is in tack.
The pvc valve will shut when it sees boost, and the block fitting (along with the stock VC breather) will releave pressure.
none the less the motor barley seen boost since it was built, and next season ill add dual VC vents and that will be more than adequit (sp?) breathing

chris_si98

where is your block and VC 'pressure reliever" hooked up to? atmosphere?

brianmcgaugh

I know its a no no here in Ont but i just had the catch can open to atmosphere when i was back east, cops there wouldnt do anything if they seen that.
I wouldnt ever run a catch to my intake maybe exhaust

brianmcgaugh

perfectly legal out east
but both went to a catch can

chris_si98

You do realize that, that method is a real ****ty way to vent pressure. There isn't enough vacuum created. Unless you really placed it somewhere where air-flow is at it's maximum. I'd really hate for you to have excessive blowby because your crankcase cant vent. Just like zeeman said.. ive always been a fan of the exhaust slash method

brianmcgaugh

Its a perfect way to vent pressure but its not going to create any vacuume in the crankcase to assist in removing contaminates.

I agree that best thing you can do in crankcase venting is to create some source of vacuume assit to scavenge out unburnt fuel/blowby but as long as you dont make the block restrictive for pressure relief you should be fine.