imported_weiRtech

you still got those wrenches that lazy *** chris gave you? i'll have to drop by and pick them up some time.

zeeman

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yes i do, they're still in my car.
Either come soon, or come in like a month to my new house (booya).

chris_si98

Hey.. I was only lazy cause I didn't have a car lol.

imported_Nicotine

zeeman tuned my b16 when i had turbo'd it in my hatch.

now he's doing my full forged block build (woot!!!!), and the new crome tuning in the del sol....

turbo..nothing beats how it sounds.......boost is HORRIBLY addictive...

zeeman will vouch ..last year "all i want is mild boost.8lbs is good enuff!!!!"

yeah right..this year..upping it to 20lbs of boost.....400whp? i pray

supercharger? meh..... turbo's look so bad ***.... and a fat intercooler in the bumper...intimidating.....

VTEC_Thunder

No kidding...

The first time you hear that rush of air, watch the boost gauge climb and feel the G's pushing you into the seat, then the chatter from the BOV when you let off to shift.......oh so sweet....so addictive....you just want more and more....

Just don't get the same effect from a s/c....at least not in a lil 4 lung mill.

bbarbulo

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he is. PM'd him with a warning.

scott newman

First of all I had a sir with a jackson racing charger on it. It was really good after tuning and a fabed up pulley to get it past 15 psi of boost, I was about 18 or so. The car made 200 whp after tuning. A very healthy sir. Would I do it again. No freakin way. Wayyyy tooooo much money!!!!!!! Would I go turbo?? Good question. If I wanted to spend about 6-7 k on the car then yes good call. Easliy get 250 hp for a daily driver. But I have one question. Why not buy a faster car????? It doestnt make any sence to spend 20 000 on a civic when you can buy a three year old impreza for that wich comes stock wtih 240 hp and all wheel drive. I have spent lots of money on cars in the past and always have been going back for more cuz once you start, then you are on the hook you have to finish. And anyone who is not a car mecanic who says you can do it cheaper than 5gs is full of it. That is what it costs for a good kit and a reliable build. Lets face it you can build it for less money buy will it last??? Thats just my two cents.

brianmcgaugh

5G's will get you well past 250whp
If not your money wasnt very well spent
you could make 250whp+ for almost half that using a stock block

chris_si98

Please break it down for me.

Cause last time I checked it was like this.

shop rate for f/i install- $800-$1000

dyno tuning-$500-$800 (depending on where you go obviously)

That right there is about $1500. So that leaves 1000$ to create a turbo kit that will prodcue 250whp? The turbo alone will run you atleast $600. It's not cheap to hit 250whp, and if you want to do it properly it will cost the full $5000. Money goes quickly, as I'm sure you know, fuel pump, injectors, manifold, dp, piping, wg, bov, oil lines, gauges, fittings, list goes on..

scott newman

If you want a job done that doesnt hang together, somone out there can build you a kit for the 2500 you speak of, that probably wouldnt include tuning. Cuz when I got my supercharger tuned and got the chip made it was almost 1500$ right there, I know I know you will all say wow I can get that done cheaper, my answer is yes you can. However my car was seamless and no detonation whatsoever from idle to 9200 rpm. I was told that It wouldnt be that expencive but, like chris says, injectors, map sensors, fuel pump all of the broken parts and just bs that goes along with the build, it was expencive. Again, just my past experiences though. If you can build a turbo civic for 2500$ with 250 hp, then more power to you, my hat goes off to you. I just know for a fact, spend the money now, or later, you still have to spend, and remember if you spend all the money now, you will save on a tow later!! Just my two cents

brianmcgaugh

Well i didnt have to pay some one $1000 to install my turbo kit.
so im not counting install.
Im also not including dyno time as i didnt have to worry about that either. But get a real decent street tune and then dyno it to make power

I made 302whp/262wtq this summer on a stock LS block, which didnt last (and i didnt expect or care if it did) blew the ringlands but i beat the **** out of it and also i was running a ecutout with a stock exh, when i was on the dyno tried a few runs with the cutout closed and im pretty sure thats what did the lands in.
used a few inexspensive parts, IE knock off bov and IC, the rest was decent gear (not the best but good enough to make power and be reliable)

Meute k cast manifold
Garrett t3t04e 57 trim .63 ar
2.5" mild steel charge piping
SSAC Precision 350 knock off intercooler
Tial 38mm WG
SSQV BOV
3" dp
3" DMH cutout (running stock exhaust when closed)
Walbro fuel pump
precision 1000cc injectors
Motorola 2.5 bar map
Chipped P06 (i did so it cost me fu** all)
xtd stage 3 clutch
oil lines, Local shop
couplers, 2.5" Rad hose
and of course other odds and ends
I cant remember exactly how much it cost me but i had it on a ****** sheet and it was very close to $2200-2500

And i then built a block used the same gear and made 330/260 but clutch was starting to slip, as it should seems at it was only rated for 320hp and 278ft/lbs @ the crank

Ill be the first person to admit it wasnt a real nice and pretty kit like a peakboost kit but its solid and made excellent #'s.



Red run is open cutout @ 12lbs
and Blue is closed run through stock exh would only make 9lbs of boost

imported_Nicotine

considering all the help zeeman gives people in here. time after time for free, every day..i don't think anyone should complain....

as for supercharger...eff that.

turbo.

spooling sounds HOT AS **** under the hood...when you make it whistle, and then blow off..people look at it...

honda's are NOT suppost to make that sound

zeeman

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at what psi did you make that 302/262 brianmcgaugh?
Nice numbers for a relatively simple build.

brianmcgaugh

~11-12psi
bone stock LS no cam tuning

VTEC_Thunder

Why not buy a faster car?

Because making a civic fast is much more fun. Any joe-blow can step in a corvette C6 Zo6 and drive fast....who cares...

It takes certain knowleged and experience (something most ppl don't have) to make a civic fast...and it's SO worth it in the end.

And you don't need to spend 20,000 on a civic to make it SPANK a 3 year old impreza....

LEITNER

here is the deal. buy a jrsc send it to endyn to get modified to his specs and have a kick *** car. he has a 89 civic si d16 non vtec supercharged that produced 487hp. turbo my ***. check it out at

487hp?? sign me up!!

imported_2join performance

As I remember it, you can send a JRSC over to endyn and have them modify it, but it will not be the same thing as what was used to achieve the 487hp. That was a kit they had made, and only sold a couple. Their current modifications are to allow a slight bump in psi as well as a means to cool down the intake charge temperature, from what I can recall.

imported_InVaDeR_HB

I have a supercharger on my GSR, @ 11psi.... good for 250whp...supercharger is not they way to go by any means on a honda, as it is expensive to make power, and belts are a biach...however if u can find a kit for cheap such as i did ($600) minus fuel management (RC's, f/p, etc) its not bad deal at all!!!! much cheaper than turbo and an alright output. The instant boost, and responsiveness is really nice tho on the SC.


Oh ps. if anyone is intrested i have a JRSC setup for GSR for sale

scott newman

First of all ring lands break due to detonation, for those who dont know that is when the combustion happense too early when the crankshaft is not quite past 0 degrees and the piston is still travelling up and the explosion is trying to force the pistion down, all of thatpressure is resting on the ringlands, this is why you didnt pay for tuing properly. if it were tuned properly it would have been fine. Or just dont push the car when you know its detonating. As for buying a faster car. Like I said before, if you are a tech type person its good cuz oll of the building, trial and error doesnt cost you much. Buy buying a faster car once you are done with it its still worth the 20 gs you spent, but a 7 g civic or 5 g civic plus the five you put into it is still a civic. I know there is a cool feeling about smoking some guy in some expencive car that is soooo cool, but I guess I have been bitten too many timew with spending lots of money and ending up with somthing thats only worth what its worth. And if you had a three year old impreza I would have to say that your 300 hp civic would run quite a bit faster than the impreza but only till the first corner. For those that dont turn thats great but I can guarantee unless you put tonnes of money into suspension and all wheel drive on your civic the lowwly impreza would probably boast better lap times. For example a good friend has a sti, now its not three years old and more that the 20 gs discussed, but with a stock engine and stock suspension with good tires, ran 1:36 for laptimes at mosport last year. Now that is more impressive than showing me a hp graph.

VTEC_Thunder

That is an impressive lap time at mosport....

However, I bet you could set up a civic to run as fast as that at half the cost....

fwd cars are not the best in the corners but they can be very good if you know how to set them up...


Back to the topic....don't go sc unless you just want to be different.....in that case, go for it.