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Old 13-Aug-2006, 04:16 PM
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best motor to turbo?

So im new to the whole civic scene with swapped motors etc. My whole family including my mother ahah are all into this and I ask them for help but they all say do your own research and trust me I have i just want to see what you guys think, what motor and turbo setup is best to accomplish a low 12 second civic. Thanks, Matt.
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Old 13-Aug-2006, 04:26 PM
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do you want a low budget build or high budget?

d-series or b-series?
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Old 13-Aug-2006, 04:39 PM
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LS-T if your on somewhat of a budget
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i have around 6gs to spend....was looking at the b18c1 but the compression would be to high to turbo so im second guessing...coming to you guys for help.
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turbo a stock gsr and you'll be very happy. The compression isn't too high (even the jdm b18c) to run 10-12psi with a good tune.
B16s are fun with boost. Basically any B-series will handle boost (in stock form) much better than any D-series.
Turbo B18A/B (LS) is fun too if you would rather spend more money on the turbo setup than the engine swap. You don't need vtec with boost.
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Old 13-Aug-2006, 05:28 PM
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with 6000$ to spend I would personally boost an LS.

A full ls swap will probably be around 1000-1500$ depending on of course where you get it and if you decide to do the timing belt, water pump, etc (which i recommend) I would use an LS tranny even if you chose a b16 because they are much cheaper and long geared. You'll also want a good clutch kit, machine the flywheel and some arp head studs to prevent head lift (which I recommend) And get a 3" full exhaust system if you dont already have one

Now for the turbo kit.. I would personally spend 3000-3500$ just to the turbo kit and buy all good grade parts. Personally I'd get my manifold, downpipe and chargepiping custom made by weiRtech on the boards.. get a good sized turbo.. if you are rich grab a ballbearing turbo, if not I would recommend a t3/t4 or t3/t04e (the trim size will depend on if you want a quick spooling turbo or a turbo that will give better numbers up top). Grab some 450cc (or higher) injectors and spend 500$ to get it dyno tuned!

And of course save yourself a good 2-300$ just for parts that might blow (headgaskets, possible oil leaks, etc) Your $6000 will go buy pretty fast.. and trust me.. you'll want more boost and more power after a few days of boosting around.

In any condition.. make sure the engine you buy has great compression and leakdown numbers.. nothing sucks more when you have to replace the block or head in your motor after a few weeks of boosting.
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chris_si98 thanks very much for your input. Where would you recommend me to go, teknotik? thanks.
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i believe he said to get aaron (weiRtech) to fab you up the turbo manifold, downpipe, charge pipes and mod your intercooler if necessary. I would if i were you, he does amazing work for great prices, hes a great fab guy and full of turbo knowledge.
As for the install you could get pretty much any competent shop or even someone on these boards to bolt it up for you.
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i would definately check out teknotik.

my b20 will be coming from them.. they have some of the best grade motors around. For install myself and zeeman over here can do it for ya. Teknotik can also tune your ecu.
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Old 13-Aug-2006, 09:11 PM
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GSR for sure.
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Old 13-Aug-2006, 11:00 PM
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wow i think i might just change my mind...after talking with a few buddies and my parents they all said doing a turbo setup for civics is the cheap way out and you can still be pretty fast just being na. Could i be mid 12s without and 6 grand?
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getting into the 12s with 6grand to spend.. will be really really hard.

especially if you have to pay for labour.

With a turbo application.. if you want more power all you gotta do is turn up the boost (provided it's tuned to xx amount of psi, and you have a higher bar map sensor)

If you want to get into the 12s. Boost is the way to go.
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u can't be 12s going n/a with just 6g...
you need higher comrpession pistons, aggressive cams, upgrade valvetrains, headwork, injectors, matching i/h/e, this and that... and a good tune... you're looking like more 10g or more if you're going serious in n/a.......

proper tuned turbo of 10-12psi can do you the trick... =)

when u turbo, you be looking at upgraded suspension, brakes, and tires as well, keep that in mind =)

just those 3 upgrades cost you in the 2 neighbourhood or a bit lesser than 2g...
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Old 13-Aug-2006, 11:51 PM
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i think i will just swap a b18c1 and i wont build it and stay like that until next summer and just turbo it...im in love with those motors!
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Old 13-Aug-2006, 11:58 PM
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b18c1 motor swap, front strut bar, adjustable coilovers, ctr cams, chipped ecu, full exhaust, intake, Skunk2 intake manifold and cam gears, megan header, mugen head gasket, hondata intake manifold gasket....is that a good setup for the price range i have?
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I think you would be pushing your limit with that, unless your doin all the labour yourself, or you have a good hook up for parts...
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Old 14-Aug-2006, 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by Capo
LS-T if your on somewhat of a budget
definitely. i know a certain stock LS-T in vancouver that does 12.6 with street tires in a 4 door EK

they are nice low compression and can handle a lot of boost and produce MASSIVE torque numbers. he put down 254 whp and 239 tq at 12 psi

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definitely. i know a certain stock LS-T in vancouver that does 12.6 with street tires in a 4 door EK

they are nice low compression and can handle a lot of boost and produce MASSIVE torque numbers. he put down 254 whp and 239 tq at 12 psi

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If i had to do it all over again, id either boost a D, or a b18, both cheap when they blow.
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what are you running ? boosted b16?
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