b16 vs b18
02-May-2004, 11:43 AM
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B16 installed $3600 B18B installed $3000. Not sure about B18C prolly too much. I would totally do the install myself but i don't have the time cause i work full time and can't afford to have my car off the road for more than a day.
What tranny would you use with the b20?
What tranny would you use with the b20?
02-May-2004, 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
the only exception to this rule that I've experienced is the JSK EH3 V2.0... that thing is a true champ, power and economy in one package. it's truly a revelation. but I don't think anyone can duplicate.
the only exception to this rule that I've experienced is the JSK EH3 V2.0... that thing is a true champ, power and economy in one package. it's truly a revelation. but I don't think anyone can duplicate.
maybe i should ad that to my sig, lol!
02-May-2004, 07:07 PM
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cruising at 4000+ rpm is @ss IMO
I hate going over 3500 on my Y8, so id imagine 4000+rpm is crappy...
I like a nice smooth ride not a high reving engine when Im trying to mellow out on the highway
I hate going over 3500 on my Y8, so id imagine 4000+rpm is crappy...
I like a nice smooth ride not a high reving engine when Im trying to mellow out on the highway
03-May-2004, 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by b16civic
with the way people drive, i would go b16. its made to be driven hard. b18 is a cheap engine as you may find out after a while. bad rod stroke ratio in the b18, and people generally drive them like a b16.
with the way people drive, i would go b16. its made to be driven hard. b18 is a cheap engine as you may find out after a while. bad rod stroke ratio in the b18, and people generally drive them like a b16.
What about regular driving, is the engine good if you treat it right and understand its limits?
Your the engine guy, please let us in on the pros/cons of each
03-May-2004, 10:38 AM
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I trust that when the engine is torquey, ppl drive it less harder haha me speeks broken engrish
no for real, when a big displacement engine is placed in a lightweight chassis, I believe the engine will last longer since it's pulling a fraction of the weight it was designed to pull, and as a result, full potential of the engine is demanded less often, extending it's life. The perfect example is any optional engine in a car... if you look at old cars (from my experience in having bought many many older cars), it's clear that the ones with optional engines often outlast/outlive their lower engine base counterparts. Look at how many V6 T-birds survive vs their V8 brothers. Even old Civics, how many Si models survive vs their base counterparts (keeping in mind sales volumes). Now, there are other variables... esp in Hondas, the ones with the optional motors are often driven a lot harder. But if you look at two cars that were treated the same, the bigger engine one will always be in better shape. Another example is V6 accords vs the four bangers.
So IMO, bigger is better for daily driving. Think of a hwy merger, you give a 1.5L motor and you gotta really take 90% of what it's got to get up to speed... then take the same car with a 1.8 B18A or B dropped in, and the motor will take 75% of it's capacity to get up to spped. In other words, less wear on it cuz it hardly breaks a sweat. Now, if you race, take the higher HP motor with the greatest area under the curve, cuz not only do you want the high horsepower... you wanna get to the high hp rpm very quickly. So you need the torque to be able to accelerate to that rpm. Hope that clears some stuff up.
me speeks broken engrishno for real, when a big displacement engine is placed in a lightweight chassis, I believe the engine will last longer since it's pulling a fraction of the weight it was designed to pull, and as a result, full potential of the engine is demanded less often, extending it's life. The perfect example is any optional engine in a car... if you look at old cars (from my experience in having bought many many older cars), it's clear that the ones with optional engines often outlast/outlive their lower engine base counterparts. Look at how many V6 T-birds survive vs their V8 brothers. Even old Civics, how many Si models survive vs their base counterparts (keeping in mind sales volumes). Now, there are other variables... esp in Hondas, the ones with the optional motors are often driven a lot harder. But if you look at two cars that were treated the same, the bigger engine one will always be in better shape. Another example is V6 accords vs the four bangers.
So IMO, bigger is better for daily driving. Think of a hwy merger, you give a 1.5L motor and you gotta really take 90% of what it's got to get up to speed... then take the same car with a 1.8 B18A or B dropped in, and the motor will take 75% of it's capacity to get up to spped. In other words, less wear on it cuz it hardly breaks a sweat. Now, if you race, take the higher HP motor with the greatest area under the curve, cuz not only do you want the high horsepower... you wanna get to the high hp rpm very quickly. So you need the torque to be able to accelerate to that rpm. Hope that clears some stuff up.
03-May-2004, 11:35 AM
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I drove my buddy's 94 Integra LS last night. It pulls pretty hard but seems like its lacking something past like 5 grand....hmm maybe vtec...lol No really, i think it would pull even harder in my car. Its a nice and torquey engine, now i just need to go for a ride in a b16 civic....maybe i should go to honda and pretend like i want to buy a 1999 sir.
03-May-2004, 05:35 PM
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VTEC is over rated imo. You've got hp but no torque at all, again my opinion.
I like the B18B/B20B cause they've got torque. Ride in a nicely modded or even boosted one and you'll love it.
I like the B18B/B20B cause they've got torque. Ride in a nicely modded or even boosted one and you'll love it.
04-May-2004, 08:47 AM
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Ya Steve, G2's right - it was only the first variable valve technology in a production car... EVER 
that's overrated ... heck let's take some pushrods and some standard bolts... and we'll get some 3/4 inch angle iron and we'll make a 2 liter motor than takes 240 hp at 9000 rpm.
that's overrated ... heck let's take some pushrods and some standard bolts... and we'll get some 3/4 inch angle iron and we'll make a 2 liter motor than takes 240 hp at 9000 rpm.
04-May-2004, 09:15 AM
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ok guys so what you're saying is that if you want a torquey everyday (good on gas) kind of a engine you would go with a B18....but if you want a engine to rip the hell out of (on the track) which really shows its power you would go with a B16........ just checking....i'm thinking about doings a swap as well.......... just so you know i'm not talking about a B18C..... just a simple B18B
04-May-2004, 09:56 AM
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at the least its 11 ft lbs more, and most its 15 ft/lbs more...
maybe instead of going on and on you guys could chime in with some valuble info to help the guy out instead of going on and on about stupid crap...
its getting old really
maybe instead of going on and on you guys could chime in with some valuble info to help the guy out instead of going on and on about stupid crap...
its getting old really
04-May-2004, 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by b16civic
i told him which to do....
i told him which to do....
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and so on
he will be happy with the b16. lots of power and reliable. if you beat the hell out of an ls it will die. its not a performance engine like the b16 you cant rev it to 8000 on a daily basis without killing it. if in fact thats what he is going to do. this is a real no brainer people.
i told him which to do....
i told him which to do....
i told him which to do....
i told him which to do....
i told him which to do....
and so on
he will be happy with the b16. lots of power and reliable. if you beat the hell out of an ls it will die. its not a performance engine like the b16 you cant rev it to 8000 on a daily basis without killing it. if in fact thats what he is going to do. this is a real no brainer people.
