buddy wants to race my boosted 2.4
19-Dec-2005, 12:29 AM
#21
Originally posted by SteveZ
why are you comparing top speeds? the majority of racing done when comparing two cars is drag. not 1mile, not 4 miles, but 1/4 mile. a sunfire can be made to read speeds over 170km/h, but why? can i ask where the fact that ur car can go up to 230 has come in handy? since that pretty much doubles legal limits, i see no need or point. even in a 1/4 mile, u wont pass 170 either. as far as suspension, ur compaing stock suspensions, but many car enthusiasts mod their suspension anyways, so at the end, they can both be good. and stock 2.4L runs mid 15's, not high 16s, and that isnt far from the preludes 15.3. as far as resale value, hondas do have the upper hand, but then again, even tho you see someone with an 88 crx with 250000km on it asking 10grand for it, doesnt make it worth that much.
why are you comparing top speeds? the majority of racing done when comparing two cars is drag. not 1mile, not 4 miles, but 1/4 mile. a sunfire can be made to read speeds over 170km/h, but why? can i ask where the fact that ur car can go up to 230 has come in handy? since that pretty much doubles legal limits, i see no need or point. even in a 1/4 mile, u wont pass 170 either. as far as suspension, ur compaing stock suspensions, but many car enthusiasts mod their suspension anyways, so at the end, they can both be good. and stock 2.4L runs mid 15's, not high 16s, and that isnt far from the preludes 15.3. as far as resale value, hondas do have the upper hand, but then again, even tho you see someone with an 88 crx with 250000km on it asking 10grand for it, doesnt make it worth that much.
As for resale, a car is worth whatever someone will pay for it. I wouldn't even let someone look at mine for under $18,000.
When you talk about modding suspension, what are you talking about?? shocks and springs, lowering??
19-Dec-2005, 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by electronblue
hahaha...when a professional tests a car they hardly focus on drag times. Its the after thought. Its about total driving experience. There are places in this world where top speeds are reached.
As for resale, a car is worth whatever someone will pay for it. I wouldn't even let someone look at mine for under $18,000.
When you talk about modding suspension, what are you talking about?? shocks and springs, lowering??
hahaha...when a professional tests a car they hardly focus on drag times. Its the after thought. Its about total driving experience. There are places in this world where top speeds are reached.
As for resale, a car is worth whatever someone will pay for it. I wouldn't even let someone look at mine for under $18,000.
When you talk about modding suspension, what are you talking about?? shocks and springs, lowering??
which goes back to my original point.but ya, i dont care about this much, simply stating this, its funny that when these owners find a car thatll beat em, instead of admitting it, even more sh*t is being talked.
Originally posted by Gallagher
I have a 94 CX, I got less horsepower, give me a go at the track in the spring.....
I have a 94 CX, I got less horsepower, give me a go at the track in the spring.....
put that much into a 2.4 and for cheaper you can still have a quick car, but im not gonna get into defending anything, im jus speaking in general.
19-Dec-2005, 01:09 AM
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I thought about locking this ... but I'm laughing too hard...
so your lugnuts take more torque then my honda makes ... thats great... my honda's lugnuts take more torque then my honda makes ... your point?
straight line is for people who don't realize what a steering wheel does...
so your lugnuts take more torque then my honda makes ... thats great... my honda's lugnuts take more torque then my honda makes ... your point?
straight line is for people who don't realize what a steering wheel does...
19-Dec-2005, 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by SteveZ
funny you should say you wont let someone see it for under 18g, when in reality, its worth anywhere for 13-15g which goes back to my original point.
but ya, i dont care about this much, simply stating this, its funny that when these owners find a car thatll beat em, instead of admitting it, even more sh*t is being talked.
funny you should say you wont let someone see it for under 18g, when in reality, its worth anywhere for 13-15g
which goes back to my original point.but ya, i dont care about this much, simply stating this, its funny that when these owners find a car thatll beat em, instead of admitting it, even more sh*t is being talked.
His Sunfire is boosted, against a basically stock car, where's the challenge in that?? His car should win. When was I really talking sh*t, just stating facts. I even said his car should win a 1/4 mile time. His buddies lude is 3,150 lbs with approx. 160 whp, and 125 tq at the front wheels. What did he say his car was pushing??
19-Dec-2005, 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by SteveZ
im guessing you dont have the stock civic engine. which brings me to another question, at what point does a civic no longer be considered a civic. i mean, many people here boast about civics and how fast they are, yet none of them have any original civic parts. i can see going from a dx to a b16 found in a CIVIC sir, but then going to an integra or prelude engine, with an integra suspension and interga interior, it is no longer a civic. put that much into a 2.4 and for cheaper you can still have a quick car, but im not gonna get into defending anything, im jus speaking in general.
im guessing you dont have the stock civic engine. which brings me to another question, at what point does a civic no longer be considered a civic. i mean, many people here boast about civics and how fast they are, yet none of them have any original civic parts. i can see going from a dx to a b16 found in a CIVIC sir, but then going to an integra or prelude engine, with an integra suspension and interga interior, it is no longer a civic.
put that much into a 2.4 and for cheaper you can still have a quick car, but im not gonna get into defending anything, im jus speaking in general.
i'll race your 2.4L with my 1.6L. You obviously going to win, you have a bigger engine ! See you at the track in the spring big mouth.....
19-Dec-2005, 12:43 PM
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ill have a go too...
with the hp and tq you have there, low 14's suck... i have seen civics with well under 200hp pull those numbers off consistantly...
out of 1.6L lol
but hey, to each their own, i never go bragging that my car is fast, because there is always someone faster....
with the hp and tq you have there, low 14's suck... i have seen civics with well under 200hp pull those numbers off consistantly...
out of 1.6L lol
but hey, to each their own, i never go bragging that my car is fast, because there is always someone faster....
19-Dec-2005, 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by electronblue
Am I not the one who told him how fast to expect the Prelude??
His Sunfire is boosted, against a basically stock car, where's the challenge in that?? His car should win. When was I really talking sh*t, just stating facts. I even said his car should win a 1/4 mile time. His buddies lude is 3,150 lbs with approx. 160 whp, and 125 tq at the front wheels. What did he say his car was pushing??
Am I not the one who told him how fast to expect the Prelude??
His Sunfire is boosted, against a basically stock car, where's the challenge in that?? His car should win. When was I really talking sh*t, just stating facts. I even said his car should win a 1/4 mile time. His buddies lude is 3,150 lbs with approx. 160 whp, and 125 tq at the front wheels. What did he say his car was pushing??
Originally posted by Gallagher
i'll race your 2.4L with my 1.6L. You obviously going to win, you have a bigger engine ! See you at the track in the spring big mouth.....
i'll race your 2.4L with my 1.6L. You obviously going to win, you have a bigger engine ! See you at the track in the spring big mouth.....
19-Dec-2005, 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by SteveZ
funny cause i hear people boasting about their car with an engine swap how it can beat another stock car, but hey, its not turbo so i guess thats fair, right?
funny cause i hear people boasting about their car with an engine swap how it can beat another stock car, but hey, its not turbo so i guess thats fair, right?
Turbo Sunfire vs. Stock Prelude
The difference here is you and I are talking different kind of drag racing, I'm talking about drag at track events (CSCS). You are talking kill stories, of which I do not really give credit to. Nor will you here me brag that I "smoked" a firefly or base cavalier, very uninteresting IMO.
At the track (when running competition series), boost applications are categorized together, and NA applications are grouped together. Then they further break things down by times, and you also have bracket. These are usually won and lost by driver skill, and setup. This is RACING....
He was talking car comparison, hence my response. If you were to buy fruit at the grocery store would you only consider colour?? No you would look at colour, firmness (or soft spots), ripeness...ect.
My 14 second boosted car beats my buddies 15 second stock car, therefore my car is superior is silly. Your car is simply faster in a straight line. Have to give credit where credit is due, fast is nothing to laugh at. I like fast cars too.
19-Dec-2005, 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by electronblue
I'm just dealing with the case at hand...
Turbo Sunfire vs. Stock Prelude
The difference here is you and I are talking different kind of drag racing, I'm talking about drag at track events (CSCS). You are talking kill stories, of which I do not really give credit to. Nor will you here me brag that I "smoked" a firefly or base cavalier, very uninteresting IMO.
At the track (when running competition series), boost applications are categorized together, and NA applications are grouped together. Then they further break things down by times, and you also have bracket. These are usually won and lost by driver skill, and setup. This is RACING....
He was talking car comparison, hence my response. If you were to buy fruit at the grocery store would you only consider colour?? No you would look at colour, firmness (or soft spots), ripeness...ect.
My 14 second boosted car beats my buddies 15 second stock car, therefore my car is superior is silly. Your car is simply faster in a straight line. Have to give credit where credit is due, fast is nothing to laugh at. I like fast cars too.
I'm just dealing with the case at hand...
Turbo Sunfire vs. Stock Prelude
The difference here is you and I are talking different kind of drag racing, I'm talking about drag at track events (CSCS). You are talking kill stories, of which I do not really give credit to. Nor will you here me brag that I "smoked" a firefly or base cavalier, very uninteresting IMO.
At the track (when running competition series), boost applications are categorized together, and NA applications are grouped together. Then they further break things down by times, and you also have bracket. These are usually won and lost by driver skill, and setup. This is RACING....
He was talking car comparison, hence my response. If you were to buy fruit at the grocery store would you only consider colour?? No you would look at colour, firmness (or soft spots), ripeness...ect.
My 14 second boosted car beats my buddies 15 second stock car, therefore my car is superior is silly. Your car is simply faster in a straight line. Have to give credit where credit is due, fast is nothing to laugh at. I like fast cars too.
also, so then next time there is a post, let me race my b18c civic vs. your stock z24 ill deal with the case at hand too.
19-Dec-2005, 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by SteveZ
what do you have done? or better yet, which engine is in your car? me, ill say straight up that i have the stock 2.4L that came with my car.
what do you have done? or better yet, which engine is in your car? me, ill say straight up that i have the stock 2.4L that came with my car.
Yah I got the stock 1.6L engine that was available in my car. There are a copy mods done to the engine inside and out. See you at the track in the spring
19-Dec-2005, 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Gallagher
Yah I got the stock 1.6L engine that was available in my car. There are a copy mods done to the engine inside and out. See you at the track in the spring
Yah I got the stock 1.6L engine that was available in my car. There are a copy mods done to the engine inside and out. See you at the track in the spring
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19-Dec-2005, 03:44 PM
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So all of a sudden, the intial post gets lost and its all about steveZ and his hatred for honda............never fails.
19-Dec-2005, 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by Double_B
So all of a sudden, the intial post gets lost and its all about steveZ and his hatred for honda............never fails.
So all of a sudden, the intial post gets lost and its all about steveZ and his hatred for honda............never fails.
19-Dec-2005, 09:48 PM
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I wonder what would the outcome of a 2.4L Civic, with roughly the same weight vs a 2.4L Sunfire. Same displacement, same drivetrain type, should be a good race.
19-Dec-2005, 10:33 PM
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it was amuzing .. but now I'm bored.. I haven't locked a thread in awhile.. and this one is a good cadidate since nothing useful is coming from it.
there are sayings like no replacement for displacement....
but their are also sayings about wieght and how lighter is better... so whatever I'm done... next topic... how about we add a corner in the middle of the drag strip?
there are sayings like no replacement for displacement....
but their are also sayings about wieght and how lighter is better... so whatever I'm done... next topic... how about we add a corner in the middle of the drag strip?
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