Joker

does the 1998 civic hb cx manual steering have a serpentine belt?

this is the sound that i am hearing almost exactly


at idle usually

is this the timing belt?

PurpleStuff

sounds like an old belt. spray some wd40 on it and see if it will go away. the belt that connects the a/c, and the power steering, alternator belt. if it goes away temporarily and still comes back, i would replace it.

doesn't sound like anything too seriously.

Darrylmcl

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I was just at Honda today, pricing out some belts. I believe my timing belt is the issue on my car... just to give you an estimate on how much it may cost.


Civic 99 - 00

AC Compressor belt = 57
Power steering pump belt = 73
Alternator Belt = 57
Timing Belt = 72
Fuel Filter = 40
Water Pump = 95

PurpleStuff

what does fuel filter have to do with belts?

i would purchase my timing belt, water pump and seals from honda, but i would get the work done elsewhere. the 103/hr rate is brutal for a 2+/- hour job. as for the other belts, i would get the good year belts from partsource or something. bang for buck quality imo.

when i got my timing belt and water pump from honda 2 years ago, i got it for 140 customer price.

however, i would get it checked out first to see exactly what the problem is before start buying belts and other parts.

Darrylmcl

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lol... sorry about the fuel filter, it was on my list and I guess I just typed it in there without realizing.

To go along with "pureplestuff" I agree, you should look somewhere else for the service, along with checking out belt prices today I also inquired as to haow much it'd cost for honda to change the water pump, timing belt and the others... total cost (tax included) was $505 - NOTE: That was on special as well, regular price was 600+

ol Dusty

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Your car won't have a power steering belt either and if you don't have AC then like my CRX all you have is one belt for the alternator and of course a timing belt. T-belts don't squeal unless there is something really really wrong and even then they'd probably be way overdue for replacement by that point. Take a good look at the Alt belt and see if t he rubber looks dried, cracked or even glazed. The noise could just be that the belt is a bit loose, don't over tighten it though as that puts added stress on the bearings at that end of the crank shaft because your pulling the shaft toward the alternator as well as pulling the alternator toward the crank, well your trying to pull them apart but the tension is trying to pull them back together. Too loose and you have a squeal but too tight and you ruin your alternator which is bad enough but you also can wear the seal and bearings on you crank and then you may as well start looking for a motor.

PurpleStuff

what you mean won't have a steering belt either? i have power steering but no ac, its a different belt.

agree with the rest of what you're saying.

D.T.P

Don't spray wd40, it dries up any rubber causing premature cracks.

Inspect all the pulleys, especially the crank pulley. They are not one piece and over time tend to loosen up and wobble.

ol Dusty

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I may be reading the OP wrong, manual steering, if that means not power steering then there's no belt. If he meant manny trans, steering serp belt... Either way technically not a serp belt. Accessory belt really, 88-00 and 01+ non k-series civics are a bunch of seperate belts a serp belt suggests that ther is one belt that winds around all or most everything belt driven other then of course the t-belt and some cars do still have multiple serp belts or even a serp and an acc belt.

Don't WD the belt, Martin is right on there, even spray on belt dressing is kinda snake oil as far as I'm concerend.

chris_v2

I can get you those parts for cheaper+do the work for half the price honda charges.

Not to mention, I'm a licensed Honda tech.

On a side-note, you do not need honda parts at all, you can get that whole job done for under $500 with QUALITY aftermarket parts. Dayco makes real good timing belts.

chris_v2

And to joker.

Replace:
alternator belt
a/c belt
a/c idler pulley

I personally guarantee the noise will go away.

PurpleStuff

ohhh, i see what you mean. i may have been reading it wrong too.

Darrylmcl

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Ill be getting all the parts from ebay, genuine honda @ around $250, figure I can't get a better deal than that.
OEM HONDA 96-00 CIVIC TIMING BELT WATER PUMP KIT - eBay (item 320420476338 end time Mar-28-11 13:51:31 PDT)

How much would you charge for the work?

Joker

thanks... i may have to contact you, chris in the spring.... to someone who posted above... the car DOES NOT have power steering, it has a/c though. I'm at the point where, feasibility is becoming an issue... 260k ...worth replacing all these parts?

D.T.P

As said above, its either a pulley, or a belt. Thus, replacing some parts is a good idea. If the car is in good shape and otherwise reliable, why not keep driving it?

Replace whats needed, i dont see a point in replacing everything just for the sake of it. A qualified technician can tell you what the car needs. Belts are cheap and don't take long, so imo contact Chris, he will be able to help you out and save you some money.

chris_v2

If the body isn't falling out of it, I'd spend the $150-$200 to make it run a bit longer.

Joker

probably around 600 with the new timing belt and wp also...

Joker

that green colored belt is the culprit to the noise im hearing...what is this? and how hard is it to change? is this the alternator belt? could this be the reason for the acceleration stuttering? in 1st and 2nd mostly (in my other thread)

D.T.P

Yes, and you may not need to replace it. From the picture it doesnt look too old. The alternator pivots on the bottom bolt, so loosen the upper one and it has a big ear where the alternator leans back and fourth for belt tensioning. What i do is use a long pry bar or broom stick handle, with the upper bolt loose, stuff the pry bar between the engine and the alternator, and pry it back, while holding it in place, tighten the upper bolt and its good to go. Don't tension it too much, just a reasonable amount [I know, hard to explain what reasonable tension is]

However, before you proceed with that, make sure that the belt is loose. If it isn't well the alternator is seizing up and you will need a new one.

ol Dusty

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^^Agreed. Loosen the nut for the bottom bolt on the alt as well and it'll pivot easier. You don't wanna put too much pressure on the housing when trying to pry it into position. Also check the alt spins smoothly when you have tension off the belt.