devingodard

HI im new to this forum i live about an hour north of TO, i have a 99 civic 4 door se with a d16y7 in in with an air intake. I have replaced the original y7 for another last year. I was thinkin about doing a mini me swap but decided i want to put a dohc in. Just looking for input and suggestions. I have an h23 with about 45000km on it sitting in my garage. But i know it will cost more and be harder to put an h series in then a b. I am lookin to achieve about 200-250 whp forced induction or not....any suggestions?

Silver_EM

boosted JDM d15.

devingodard

i would like to start with a little more power, because the forced induction is a little longer down the road and not a 100% thing

Silver_EM

b16 then. Thats my suggestion. However a well built/boosted SOHC always is more impressive than a boosted DOHC. At least to me.

devingodard

i have to agree as i said i have a y7 now and was thinkin of a mini me swap and i think that the d sohc can take a lot more then any motor. but i would much rather start out with soemthing that doesny need fd to be decently fun

devingodard

i was thinkin b16b but then i read somwhere that a b18 with fd would do alot better

Silver_EM

well its up to you. a mini me swap would get you some fun factor. I would go for the mini me swap and get a nice set of coilovers and work on suspension and handling mods. They can make anything fun really.

there are also a lot of other things you can do to the d series to make it quicker.

do some research. I read an article from someone who was getting very good numbers from a d series.

He did change out all of his internals though.

Also I read about a guy building a d16/d17 stroker in a crx that was running with k20's

zeeman

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Actually the D-series SOHC's are the weakest of any honda engine IMO. They will break apart up past the 225-250whp mark.

Any B-series engine will gladly take 300whp all day long. I've seen some people push them up to 350whp and still last a long time.

If you want decent power now and good power once boosted, i'd probably do a GSR (b18c1) swap.

devingodard

i was reading more into it and read that the high compression of the b16 isnt to good for boosting

jdm_77

ya i aggree with zeeman go with a gsr if you got the money but if you want something cheaper go with a LS(B18b1) they are strong motors n they are good for boost.

tkjode

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+1 boosted GSR... you get a nice instant power gain once you drop it in, and once you're bored of that, you can easily hit your 200whp target with a small turbo kit with almost no risk... unless you let idiots tune it

devingodard

k cool guys thanks.....any chance anyone has an aprx cost for the b18c1, swap? and how much aprx would the small turbo be i have found some turbo kits with full plumbing and front mount intercooler for $1200 is that about right im new to forced induction. and do u guys know a good tuning shop in our around TO?

zeeman

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i'd stay away from the cheaper turbo kits. A good kit costs $3000-4500 for a new complete kit.

You don't want a "small" turbo on a GSR either IMO.
GSR engines rev up to 8200rpms, so a small turbo would run out of steam before reaching the rev limit, or even the area where GSR's make peak power (7500-7800rpms). I'd pick something like a t3/t4, 57trim, .60 a/r on a 1.8L DOHC VTEC.

A gsr swap will run you anywhere from $2000-3500 depending on where you get it. I think theres one in the classified section right now on here.

My shop is in Oakville, i'm an authorized Neptune dealer and have a dyno on-site.

F8i

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@dev
Ever thought of a B20vtec? Or Type-R (B18C5)... I really like your B16B idea too!
Turbo'ing is great, but what I've noticed, I wanted 'the fastest' I could build. But everyone seems to be faster than what I knew how to build.

With the Type R's you have very rare engines with great power. Not too many people drive with real type r's.

If I could build my engine over, well I am building another, I would use:
B20B block
Wiseco Pistons 12:1 compression
Might bore it out 1 mm or .5 mm
User the GS-R/Type-r Crank with matching rods, eagle rods.

And have the type r head, or anyother vtec head. That will be my next build. So you have one of the fastest possible N/A motors.

That setup might cost $6000

But I've already spent over $10000 on my Turbo'd CRX, and still haven't bought my seats, or got my flywheel lightend. (or dyno'd for that matter)
-B

chonky22

what about a K20 swap? done properly and tuned you'll be a 200 hp

devingodard

i was lookin into a k but them seem a little harder to find then the b series, and i like the idea of a sweetass n/a but i dont want to get into machining work. I need a motor i can throw in and bone stock have some ***** then with bolt ons and maybe fd reach around 200 whp and if need be like an absolute must maybe soem head work. thanks for the info though guys. i thought the fd would be a little cheaper so it may take a little longer for the turbo but the swap will hopefully be in late winter early spring i havent decided iff i should do it myself or not. ive swapped a y7 to a y7 lol but that is super easy i dunno about a totelly dif motor

devingodard

and zeeman wats ur shop called i will look it up and keep it in mind for a tune prob after the motor is in b4 the turbo. i found its always good idea to have ur motor tuned

zeeman

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HiVelocity Tuning

devingodard

k thanks for the info guys and not hatin cuase im a newb lol...i will hopefully post on here again about turbo ideas afetr the motor is in and maybe some pics if i can swing it thanks again

ol Dusty

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if you got the coin to swap a k series into your car the you could just as easily build a D series to hold higher boost or get a B and mild boost it. the b18c1 with a decent snail on the exhaust side would get you better power and from what I've seen as a Honda tech myself, the K's do make great numbers but it seems that Honda (and everyone else) are making cars that people will lease for a few years and then get a new car. They don't care about long term reliability like they used to. turbo b16's with nothing more than head studs can put down 600+ and then blow up, but built combined with a lot of research you could get better numbers with a turbo and your y7 for less then the cost of a k swap. The cost of the motor/tranny alone is high. Then you need to factor in the cost of the headers, ECU, fuel rail, mounts, shifter box, and all the little things make a k a bad idea IMO, that and you gotta cut and weld a lot of things. things that if you want to go from your K to anything else, you'll have to cut and weld agian. check out d-series.org or turbod16.com and you can learn just what your current motor is capable of. d-series has a thread about a bisimoto build d16z6 running a wet dreams worth of goodies including their st3.6 turbo cam and it's running well over 700hp and he built it to be reliable. That's on a d. just think what another cam could do. I agree with a lot of people who are fond of the B's but the lack of moving parts combined with the right after market support you can make you y7 a monster, and still have money left for gas to actually drive it.