oths88

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hey guys i found a good deal on an h22 swap for my ek but ive read that it throws the car's balance and that it can be problematic to install, so its really between getting the h22 or waiting and getting a gsr later i just want to get some inputs on what u guys think based on reliability and power
also im planing to keepwhatever i buy more or less stock...

also do u anyone know if the h series/integra driveshafts work with an ek??

thanks

D.T.P

H22-> 197hp/160lb/ft
GSR-> 178hp/127lb/ft
quick search i found this diy for h22 in eg. http://www.civicland.com/forum/honda...swap-info.html
and
[FAQ] ***H22A into Civic EG/EK INFORMATION Post all H22A Hybrid info here*** - Honda-Tech
both sites have a lot of good info.

MPR

H22 imo is the better choice.

More torque and hp. It won't throw the weight balance off that much.

bengali548

im going to be putting an h22 into my ek

why because 1) its cheaper 2) its faster lol

expect to spend 500-1000 for installation tho unless your going to do it yourself (if so PM me i need someone to install mine :P:P)

F8i

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I'd go with the gsr, or build a b20vtec. Compair Rev limits, weights To settle the H22 Vs B Series Weight Arguement I bring you this... (pics) - Honda-Tech, price of install, better tranny...
I love my Type-R in my 96' civic hatch, and back in the day it would walk an h22a (actually in the prelude, not a civic (weight, blah blah blah))

On the other hand, an H22A is rare in civics, so it's got the 'badass' angle, and is supposedly faster than a del sol with a b16. Good luck, whatever you choose!

-Brian

Trybal

What engine do you have now? How much are you willing spend?

F8i

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When I bought new driveshafts for my 96' hatch and integra ITR swap, I bought 'the driveshaft shop' 97 type-r CV shafts. and they fit perfectly... though had to take off my "forks" that the CV shaft runs through... little pain in the butt...

Hope that helps.

oths88

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i have a d16y7 and i want to spend about 2 gs

bseries_el

I would rather go with the gsr. Although the h22 is faster in the straight a ways. The gsr will be a lot better in the circuit and auto cross and you can also for the quarter miles. So, thats 3 to 1 gsr winsss.. lol

saugaboi

h22 is faster in the straight a ways / you can also for the quarter miles

what?

Trybal

Either way, you'll have to change your mounts which may cost about 1g. Unless you do it yourself. Then there is the extra costs of the ecu, driveshafts and engine. While the motor is out you may want to consider changing the timing belt, water pump and thermostat. The clutch and flywheel could be changed since it would be cheaper and easier to do in that state.

It is pricey, though it ensures a problem free swap.

Keep in mind that D-series use D-series mounts, B-series uses B-series mounts, etc.

May i suggest going Turbo?

saugaboi

i would take n/a h22 over a turbo d

FPMotorsports

h22 hands down!

98SH

Go gsr. The H series engines burn oil.

MPR

The weight difference between an H22 and GSR is not enough to change the weight balance THAT much.

The H22 would still be better for autocross and curcit because is has more low/mid range grunt which is what you want for corner exit acceleration. The top end hp then gets you down the straights faster.

H22 > GSR.

As for the slight difference in weight distribution, this can easily be compensated with the proper suspension setup. But honestly, the difference is next to nothing. I wouldn't worry about it.

Cablerat

H22 has always been my choice...

Remember, once you go H22, you won't go back, cuz you'll be cutting the body side mount and the shifter area (Unless you buy a conversion kit for that - not sure what they have now).

The weight difference between an H22 and B18C is negligible. The weight difference between an H22 and D series is noticable, but so is a D to B... You will need a decent suspension, but you can run it on a stock suspension. I did one for over 40K no problem.. Just don't think you'll be pulling any highway onramps at anything over 60KM/HR..

You will however be putting a lot of pressure on your ball joints regardless of which swap you take, so always pay attention to that.

Bragging rights for the H22 are definitely a plus as well.

Maintenance is difficult - IE if the master cylinder goes, you will need to remove the engine to replace it. (At least in an EG)

Losing PS / AC is also not fun.. Cost to keep those is much more too, cuz you need custom mounts and belts. Not sure if you can even keep both.

In the end, you're really violating your car to get the H22 in there, but it sure is a lot of fun and has A LOT of potential from that point.

If you do end up H22, stick with a P28 ECU.. Don't bother with a P13 ECU.. Maybe try the P72 (Gsr) ecu so you can have the secondary butterflies active.

oths88

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nice thanks for the update so it always comes down to cost,reliability, and power doesnt it lol

stillslow

Do the H swap you can buy mounts for $200 and there is nothing to putting them in once you have the mounts and axles just a little wiring.You will have to cut a hole for the shift linkage but thats F**k all.The H has more TQ then the GSR and in a Honda you need all the TQ you can get.one issue with the H in an EK you will loose your cup holder.My plan was to drop one in my 96 SI but I found a good deal on a 00 hatch with a GSR already in it.

F8i

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I have heard the H burn a terrible amount more oil than the GS-R's do. Talking with my dad awhile back, being a tech at honda, he said that any of the high reving engines made by honda will wear our the oil rings in no time. I can agree with him on that... had my ITR in my 96 hatch, less than a year (w/o driving like a ricer) and my rings were gone... still driving her around, but if I choose to use vtec, it now doubles as a smoke screen.

MPR

My B16 has over 200k on it and it doesn't smoke and doesn't burn a lot of oil either. And I don't exactly drive it like a granny. But I do take care of it properly. Use synthetic oil, timing belt and water pump every 100k...the usual stuff.

Maybe you just had a sour apple?

My point is, they aren't all like that.