Lil_BLU

Hey guys, just trying to formulate a plan here

I have a 2000 Civic Si, which now I need to swap the engine, as my current one is dying, almost dead. My question is, does anyone have any idea what things i would need to change if I got a B16?

As far as i know: engine, distributor, engine mounts, drive shafts, tranny are the main keypoints to change. Are there more technical things as well? ECU? oil pump? exhaust?

Or would it make more sense to just swap another sohc in there?

Any help/suggestions/pms/ are greatly appreciated as i need to do this SOON

starboy869

Don't forget transmission, ecu, and most likely a bunch of other things.

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

all you literally need is the complete engine with dizzy, tranny, SiR engine mounts, SiR shifter linkages, b-series axles and half-shaft and the P2T (b16) ECU.

Lil_BLU

ok cool, I believe that's what i had in mind. I'm curious though, wouldn't i be able to use the ECU out of my civic, and if anything just reprogram it? or is it a totally different setup? My logic was that as long as they both are vtec then i could use the same ECU.

Also would I have to change the exhaust as I thought that the Si and the SIR have two different exhaust manifolds, and therefore different sized piping for the exhaust?

Please don't bite off my head, I appreciate any suggestions or help

T-MacK

You need the P2T ecu to work that engine.
And you need to use a B16 EM,,,,the Sohc one is completely different.

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

you won't have to change the exhaust system on the car, just use the SiR exhaust manifold that comes with the swap.

Unfortunately, you can't just re-program or chip obd2 ecus. So you'll need to either use the P2T (SiR) ecu or convert to obd1 and use a chipped p28 setup for a b16.

Lil_BLU

Cool, ummmmm TMack, what is a B16 EM,,,,? Not sure if that was a typo or something.

another question i have is: a buddy of mine was telling me about some difference between a USDM engine and a JDM engine for my gen civic. He said something about some mounts/sensor on the oil pump being relocated, and getting a JDM engine may end up being more hassle to install than a USDM engine.......

Does this sound right? I'm just trying to cover myself before buying an engine.

Once again, I really appreciate the comments and suggestions

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

well, if you use an engine that wasn't from a 96-00 civic/integra it won't have the CKF sensor on the oil pump. So when you go to put it in your car, the car will have the connector on the engine harness for this CKF sensor and the ecu will look for this signal and your car won't run without either the sensor being hooked up, or a simple little CKF bypass trick (using wire taps) done to the engine harness at the ecu. This basically just steals the signal from the distributor so the ecu will thing that CKF sensor is there and the engine will run normally.

OR just convert to obd1 (with a jumper harness and obd1 chipped ecu) and don't worry about any of this b/c the obd1 ecus don't use the CKF sensor.

Swapping in a JDM engine won't be any more hassle than swapping in a USDM engine. The problem will be swapping in a different generation engine, say putting in an obd1 b16 (from a 92-95 JDM SiR) into an obd2 (96-00) car. There will be some custom wiring necessary, or you'll have to spend a little money sourcing an obd2 distributor and alternator, so everything will plug in and bolt up without any mods.

T-MacK

EM= Exhaust Manifold.

Lil_BLU

Ok, wow. great information. Zeeman/Tmack, i think we need to meet up sometime, I still got alot to learn.

So with all that being said, for my 2000 Civic Si, which b16 engine would be most logical? I spoke to TorontoJDM today, and was basically told that for a complete engine swap from D16 to B16, with everything that would need to go with it

Engine, tranny, shift linkage, engine mounts, drive axle, water pump, timing belt, new clutch set, ECU........plus labour = approx $3000

Does that sound right?

zeeman

iTrader: (1)

ya, but I'd be little learly of TorontoJDM, but thats just me.

Lil_BLU

Hey man, any suggestion is worth considering......... Do you have any other places in mind?

Ragnar

I'd suggest DIY for install, good learning experience.

Lil_BLU

oh boy, I would love to to that, but not brave enough to try a DIY with a engine.......
I'll do radiator, alternator, brake and oil change. But that's alot more technical.

Don't laugh at me......... i do want to get to that point

Ragnar

No thats cool, I know it can seem like a lot of work. I thought so too but I just read a lot of DIY threads on honda-tech, made life so much easier. If you have the time, tools, and a friend or 2 to help, its pretty easy.

When I did it I had to do the auto to manual stuff aswell. The pedal assembly was the hardest part. Swapping the engine and tranny, a breeze in comparison.

Lil_BLU

Shoot man, don't tempt me. My dad actually made a suggestion to me that I'm suprised i never thought about. He said when i get my engine swapped, to keep the old engine and tear it apart, that way i can learn about the internals....

I really want to do the b16 swap, but in reality I'll be looking at a good coin (approx $3000) So what I might end up doing is just a straight engine swap d16 - d15 (USDM to JDM) and turbo it next year....

yay? or nay?

Ragnar

D16Y8 to a jdm d15b? definitely a nay imo. Why not just turbo the y8? OR, you could swap in the b16, possibly even a LS and turbo that later down the road. so many choices for ya lol.

Lil_BLU

well i was swapping because my D16y8 is next to dead, not sure how much longer it will last. I wanted to go b16, but I'm trying to save up for the lady's ring So i need to go with the most cost-effective deal......which would be the d15b, cuz I don't really need to change anything except the engine, and the ECU/ECU harness, water pump and timing belt....

So eventually what i'd do is just turbo the d15b. yay? nay?

Ragnar

ah, given the circumstances, yay. And if you end up doing it yourself, you'll learn a thing or 2 for the future.

Lil_BLU

yeah, I figure that if i get the d15b, I'll just do some internal mods to it. Probably changing the cam, flywheel, short shifter, clutch....... and if i feel brave enough, TURBO.

Question, I have a CAI on my d16y8 engine, will that fit on a d15b? i figure it should since they're both sohc....