fa1se

Im just curious after watching some videos on youtube with the toda racing vtec killer cams. My engine setup is a b18c1 with aem intake, vibrant j-spec 4-2-1 headers, 2 3/8" catback exhaust, stg 1 clutch. Im just wondering what cams I should go with. I like the sound of the todas though. I would appreciate any input. Also I dont think I will go the turbo route for awhile.

Mashimaro

i would probably stay away from the Toda Vtec killer cams. i hightly doubt that they're "streetable"...

i'm going to install Toda B's on my motor as soon as i decide which engine management to go with. I warn you now that Toda is quite pricey though...bang for the buck seems to be with the Skunk2 proseries cams.

if not, even stock '98+ ITR cams and springs will give you gains over what you have now.

fa1se

ok appreciate the input I'll do some reasearch on those cams you mentioned

360_vortex

you need higher compression than what you have now to run those cams, also you need an upgraded valvetrain.

what is your goal for this car? (street only, track only, half half?) answer that then i will help you decide on which set of cams that's most suitable for it

fa1se

ya I still have lots to learn lol. I dunno if I want higher compression or lower. I do know that I wont be running it at the track. Its mostly a show car that I will take it on nice sunny days sometimes.

360_vortex

if it's a showcar, why bother with engine internals.

fa1se

because I have a little extra $$ and I want a nice motor along with a decent looking car. I cant have all show and no go

360_vortex

so what's your budget?

fa1se

$2000-$4000 I dunno how much internal work I can get done for that but thats about what im looking to put in

FPMotorsports

K save your money and use it wise.
B18c1 with cai/header/full exhaust. Itr valvetrain upgrade. Adj. cam gears and a full tune.

U'll be HAPPY

Seeing as you already have a aem intake thats good if it's cai.
Your header and cat back sell it. Get a custom cat back 2.5" or a skunk2 megapower.
As for header there are numerous headers that do wonders on b18c's my personal fav is : http://sms-products.com/Headers.html.

As for cam gears bisi cam gears.
Itr cams / valvetrain check forums

Tune : There are a few good tuners out there. (None of which advertise here on tcc or who have advertised on tcc not gonna mention any names)

360_vortex

for that kind of money i would suggest buddy club III package. it offers a decent amount of midrange gain which are noticible on street. since you are not going to track your car, cams such as toda/jun etc are not necessary. also as always, when upgrading something such as valvetrain, tuning is key!. a good tune will yield good results

fa1se

what all comes in this buddy club II package ? I may have to look into that. Midrange gain for the street is good Im not going to be racing around in this car since I also have a air ride setup. I just want to be able to punch it if I need to pass someone. Thanks for letting me know about the toda/jun cams ya Im not gonna track this car. Maybe my next civic I will. Im from the Hamilton area and I know theres some good tuners around here. Thanks for all the input 360 vortex. This is what I enjoy the most about TTC if you dunno something just ask on here and someone is always glad to help ya out. Should I go port / polish and pistons and such ?

zeeman

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buddy club 3+'s are great for a street car and don't necessarily require higher compression and headwork to yeild good results.
The buddy club head package comes with the cams, valve springs, retainers and adjustable cam gears.

With a budget of $3000-4000 i'd boost the thing personally.
I spent buttloads of money building a n/a setup, made decent power (given the setup), then i boosted it, and i wish i would've boosted it right from the get go, instead of wasting all that money on a n/a build....but thats just me. I daily drive, year round my boosted b16, and this needs to get me all over southern ontario, which is does, very reliably i might add.

Skunk2 stage 2's are also pretty good cams that are proven to make good power on a lot of different setups. And i am also a fan of ITR cams, great for a mild build on a limited budget.

fa1se

thanks for the input zeeman. I spoke with you earlier in PM about a setup. I was gonna meet up with ya in my civic but its still being built hehe. When I get a chance sometime and if you are free I'll meet up with ya and see what kinda turbo setup I could run.

zeeman

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sure, i'll take you for a boot in my car, seal the deal for a boosted setup...lol.

fa1se

aiight well I"ll send you a PM sometime and we'll see what your schedule is looking like apprecite it Zeeman. Seal the deal heh. I think its already sealed pretty much lol. But Ive always wanted to go for a spin in a boosted car plus check it out. It helps when the person showing ya it knows there stuff. I'll talk to ya soon buddy.

Mugen Power

Vtec Killaz are a full race, never drop below 7K, 4.9x f.d. (minumum) ***** out, max rev camshaft. with that being said, most people don't even have the supporting mods to run C's, nevermind D's. and killers are beyond both. do us all a favour, and keep studying. if not, just link up with Z and feel the power. with that budget, f.i. seems to be ur best option

fa1se

do us all a favour and keep studying. No need to be rude like that man. I didnt ask you to reply. Im learning and by reading on forums and meeting up with people. I will link up with Zeeman and feel his turbo wrath

zeeman

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he's absolutely right though. In order to run bigger cams, especially something like toda C's or their vtec killer cams, you NEED extensive headwork and all of the supporting mods to make them work well. ANY cams will work, but if you're spending this kind of money you're gunna wanna make good power. Mugen Power is speaking from experience, he's been in the game longer than i've been driving and has had every setup under the sun....twice. Building a powerful n/a setup isn't just randomly picking parts and hoping the work well together, espcially when it comes to picking which cams you are going to use. Cams will dictate your powerband and how much fun your car is to drive on the street. Bigger cams will make power 7-9.5k, so do toda C's. With high lift cams your engine has to be able to suck in enough air to make use of such high lift, and long duration (duration = how long the valves are open). The engine has to be capable of moving a high volume (CFM) of air to make good power with big cams so porting and a good valve job are a must, milling the head is a good way raise the compression if you don't wanna change the pistons, and of course you're gunna need a good intake and intake manifold capable of quenching the hungry engines thirst for air and a good header and free flowing exhaust so the engine can get rid of the unburnt fuel/air mixture.
And of course, like mentioned already, good tuning. Tuning is key to having a reliable setup n/a or boosted. I've seen cars that don't run so great and are nowhere near to their fullest potential b/c they didn't get it tuned, or are just running an "ebay" or generic chip or are just using "a buddy's" tuned ecu. Big cams can sometimes need some fandangaling or trickery to idle well and without a solid tune you're pissin in the wind.
fa1se:
you're gunna feel the turbo on a n/a build wrath. I built my car for n/a then put a turbo on it.

fa1se

thanks again for the information. Im gonna read this stuff over a few times. Its all good to know. Well it sounds like I dont want those cams and I would rather have much more low and mid range power. I realize you can grab a bunch of parts through them all together and hope you get good power. I would rather have a stable setup that has been proven or that alot of people seem to go with. We'll just have to talk in person sometime if you dont mind zeeman. I could type for hours on here and I dont wanna be killing your eyes bro heh.