1993 civic motor swap?
i recently bought a civic that i've done quite a bit of work to, its actually come a longg way. but its still not even close to being finished. i currently have a short ram intake and a short shifter on a stock D15B7, i added a down spout on the front under the bumper which takes air as i drive and shoots it directly into my short ram filter. it really makes a difference.
Besides that, im now beyond a D15b7 and im ready to go d vtech with a nicer tranny or small b series, i would just like to get some segestions and some prices, im a first timer in the civic game, i dont want to get screwed. the current motor has 275 000 occasionaly runs boggy, and takes a while to warm up before it runs to its maximum efficiency. it does burn oil. alot actually. no black smoke or rotten smell though. im really not happy and im tired of this motor. lol |
just get a b18b1 and call it a day. it will be enough power for you for now.
otherwise d16z6 with si tranny will still be fun. i guess i should have started with asking you what is your budget? |
you can get a d15b swap for around $500-800 for the parts you'll need.
you can get a b16 swap for around $1500-2200 for the parts you'll need. Labour to do an engine swap depends on what shop you go to and what exactly you're getting done, but expect to pay anywhere from $500-1000 for labour. |
im lookin at anything from 500-2000 bucks installed and running! lol
i recently got my hands on a f22 but it was automatic so i was forced to get rid of it, i was told it would cost me more to change the tranny than anything! true stuff? theres also a h22 at my school, its in a 93 prelude with the front end smashed in, up to the rad, so it should be running alright.(the car looks quick) im just on the fence and unsure what to do, i hate my d15b7. |
Well at my shop, to swap in another D-series engine, the price STARTS at $500. Thats if all you want to do is have me install the new engine/tranny.
If you want to replace the timing belt/water pump (which I highly recommend doing) there is an additional $50 labour fee, its so cheap to do because I'll replace it while the engine is out of the car and its quick/easy to do like that. I can also supply the parts if you'd like, but you'll have to pay extra for the parts. If you want to replace the clutch (which is a good idea b/c you never know the condition of the clutch, theres an additional $50 labour fee, again its so cheap to do because I'll replace it while the engine is out of the car. I can also supply the parts if you'd like, but you'll have to pay extra for the parts. If you want to do a B-series swap the price STARTS at $600 this is because there will be some wiring necessary. If you want to do a H-series or F-series (not the f20/f22c aka s2000 engine) swap the price starts at $750 this is because there will be some wiring necessary and some extra fabrication for the shifter box/cables and engine mounts. If you want to convert the car to obd1 (your car is already obd1 so this doesn't really apply to you) I can supply the ECU conversion harness and chipped obd1 ecu. I make the ECU conversion harnesses myself (in-house) and do all ECU modifications myself. I charge $100 for the conversion harnesses and $150 for the chipped ECU. Now regarding your automatic question, you can definately use an engine from an automatic car, but you'll have to get a 5-speed tranny flywheel, pressure plate and clutch, along with 5-speed flywheel bolts (they're longer than automatic ones), pressure plate bolts, you'll also need a new clutch release bearing and flywheel pilot bearing. There can also be a little bit of extra wiring necessary to make everything work properly. I personally am not a huge fan of h22 swapped cars, but for the money they're good bang for buck b/c of how much horsepower and torque the engines come with stock. Check out my website for more information, or feel free to PM me with any questions you may have. HiVelocity Tuning - Cars |
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I have a jdm gsr engine for sale for 2400 complete. I can install it for you for 400 bucks. The engine is still in the car so you can check it out. Or just buy the whole car for 3200 and comes with e test. Let me know if your interested. You have to see thhe car first cuz i kmow you wknt be dissapointed. You can reach me at 647 988 8937
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I highly suggest a B-series motor....b18 for sure.
Don't go with the H22...It was not made for the weight balance in a civic/integra. Plus, once you have the H-series mounts, you'll only have one choice for a motor. Whereas, with a B-series mounts youll have a choice of..... Wait for it.... B16A1 1.6 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1595 160hp@7600rpm 111tq@5200rpm '90-'91 Civic SiR (JDM) '90-'91 CRX SiR (JDM) B16A2 1.6 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1595 160hp@7600rpm 111tq@7000rpm '99-'00 Civic Si (USA) > B16A3 1.6 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1595 160hp@7600rpm 111tq@7000rpm '93-'94 DelSol VTEC (USA) B16A4 1.6 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1595 170hp@7800rpm ?? '96-'00 Civic Si -RII (JDM) B16B 1.6 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1595 185hp@8200rpm 118tq@7500 '98-'01 Civic Type-R (JDM) B17A1 1.7 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1678 160hp@7600rpm 117tq@7000rpm '92-'93 Integra GS-R (USA) B18B 1.8 16V DOHC PGM-FI 1834 130hp@6000rpm 121tq@5000rpm '90-'91 Integra GS (USA) B18B1 1.8 16V DOHC PGM-FI 1834 140hp@6300rpm 121tq@5200rpm '92-'93 Integra GS (USA) B18B1 1.8 16V DOHC PGM-FI 1834 142hp@6300rpm 127tq@5200rpm '94-'00 Integra RS/LS/GS (USA) B18C 1.8 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1797 178hp@7600rpm 129@6200rpm '95-'97 Integra SiR (JDM) B18C1 1.8 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1797 170hp@7600rpm 128tq@6200rpm '94-'01 Integra GS-R B18C5 1.8 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1797 195hp@7800rpm 130tq@7600rpm '98-'01 Integra Type-R (JDM) B20B 2.0 16V DOHC PGM-FI 1997 126hp@5400rpm 133tq@4300rpm '97-'98 CR-V (USA) B20Z 2.0 16V DOHC VTEC PGM-FI 1997 146hp@6400rpm 143tq@4500rpm '98-'01 CR-V (USA) |
Long live the boosted D's!!!
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k so a friend of mine offered me a d16z6 last night 200 000 on it for $100! he was going to use it, but he has new plans now.. so i know it runs. he just doesnt need the motor. it comes with the alternator and power steering.
so what im wondering now is.. what will i need still? i have a good tranny in my 93 civic, (d15b7) clutch still has plenty of life. good gearbox, and short shifter. (which i love) immediatly after i do the motor im looking for suspension.. suggestions? lol lsd tranny one day! |
oh young grasshopper just go see the zeeman, he'll set you up real nice.
your going to spend more on a lsd tranny for your d then you would get for your hole car. |
Originally Posted by LocaL|6
(Post 1437064)
oh young grasshopper just go see the zeeman, he'll set you up real nice.
your going to spend more on a lsd tranny for your d then you would get for your hole car. |
any d is still slow unless you boost it.
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I bought a jdm d15b vtec and did the swap myself (my first on too :) ) it was $800 as a complete and came with the super ballin LSD tranny, i went to zeeman to wire up vtec after that called it a day and as soon as spring hits it will be boosted. I guess you could say Im a d boy lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJqI1dYn4fg
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obx lsd is nice, really really nice
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Originally Posted by bseries_el
(Post 1437084)
any d is still slow unless you boost it.
It all about budget. all you guys who swapped to the b dont have money left for boost, and all those who keep there d's are running boost. Im sure i'll get bored with 300whp and get a b someday but for now im a dman, and not that crappy rap video ether lol. |
you can use the stock d15b7 clutch/tranny but honestly its not really worth putting a vtec engine in with the super long geared DX/CX tranny, I would use the SI tranny if you want the most performance out of your car.
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Originally Posted by LocaL|6
(Post 1437104)
indeed, but my boosted d will spank a n/a b16 for sure lol. And it sounds alot better to not as ricey with a turbo stuffed under the hood.
It all about budget. all you guys who swapped to the b dont have money left for boost, and all those who keep there d's are running boost. Im sure i'll get bored with 300whp and get a b someday but for now im a dman, and not that crappy rap video ether lol. |
maybe one day you can afford a b series. Almost everybody I know is into K series now a days. So you can get a b series for cheaps. lolz
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^^ wow...B or K ?
well i cant hate on B-series since i got one, but when i had the civic i was proud of the D-series. people would look at my motor and laugh since it looked so small. yet when i'd take em for a spin they would be surprised. there is a lot of potential out of a d-series. and if you have a reliable/well maintained d-series, it would be cheaper/same price to go boost rather than go b-series. now ofcourse you can say that if you boost a b-series, you'll be quicker. duhh but then with the money you spend swapping the b and getting the turbo for it, you can build the d-series. so in the end i would much rather have a small 1.6sohc fully built with a nice snail on it, spanking all b-series. but thats just me... |
Oh and forgot...K-series? for the price of the motor/parts/labour you could get build a d-series and boost it...AND have money left over for suspension haha.
The good'ol D's are the way to go... |
haha i like the way scrider and LocaL|6 think!
im gonna stick with my d series for now, see how it goes.. my dad giving me his 03 si in a few years. hopefully i can keep the 93 4 door and build it. anyone selling an si tranny cheap? or know where to get one? lol |
Originally Posted by scrid3r
(Post 1437167)
Oh and forgot...K-series? for the price of the motor/parts/labour you could get build a d-series and boost it...AND have money left over for suspension haha.
The good'ol D's are the way to go... |
Originally Posted by Buddy
(Post 1437198)
haha i like the way scrider and LocaL|6 think!
im gonna stick with my d series for now, see how it goes.. my dad giving me his 03 si in a few years. hopefully i can keep the 93 4 door and build it. anyone selling an si tranny cheap? or know where to get one? lol |
i say go with an h22 swap you get the biggest bang for your buck you can get everything (motor mounts ecu axles the works) for 1300 and labour for like 700
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Originally Posted by bseries_el
(Post 1437200)
A b series engine is not that expensive. You can get a b18b for like 600 bucks complete and you can boost that also. So, why would I stick to D series. b18b with out a turbo is pretty good enough also. and you have way better torque than a stock D series and a lot more potential.
now i had plans of turbo'ing my old D, piecing everything together it costed me about 1400 that included all the piping/intercooler/14b turbo/manifold/3"dp/oil lines/gauges/bov etc...if you are smart enough you could install the kit yourself with the help of few friends. now stock d that was maintained can take 210whp no problem. here is the thing. we are talking about whp not at the crank. all the b16s that are 160hp at the crank usually run 125-130whp on a good day lol. so what would be the point of spending approximatly the same money on a b-swap while you can piece together a turbo kit? and if you gonna say stock d is not reliable, then A. you obviously dont know that Zee tunes well and B. who gives a crap you can just buy another one for 200$ lol. now who wants to bring up k-series? lol i'd be glad to rip on those too. |
Originally Posted by bengali548
(Post 1437203)
i say go with an h22 swap you get the biggest bang for your buck you can get everything (motor mounts ecu axles the works) for 1300 and labour for like 700
oh and who wants oil burning problems? :tape2: |
Originally Posted by scrid3r
(Post 1437227)
h22 will seem quite heavy upfront and there is no turning back from H
oh and who wants oil burning problems? :tape2: i assume your referring to the H's cylinder walls? if so i heard that they arent as weak as everyone says they are |
i know of several ludes that go through lots of oil. one in my household takes about 1L in 500km lol
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Originally Posted by bseries_el
(Post 1437136)
d series are for people who works at timmies or mcdonalds and can't afford a b or a k series. hahahahaha
So you pride your self on spending 2500-5000 on a motor for a car you bought for 3000? Anyone can dump a big motor into a little car and make it go fast. It takes skill and knowledge to make a little motor scream. And for the record i DONT work at timmies or macd's, I most likely made more then you last year. Being a Plumber/welder with a gas ticket in the union works well for me, and im not retarded and spend all my money on a car that at the end of the day is still a honda. Sure if i wanted to i would put a k boosted in a pos then roll it around to gay car shows to show everyone how much money i wasted, maybe even put some cool stickers on it....ya now where talking. race for slips??? i could use a new septic tank for my cottage. just my 2cents. oh and anyone that puts a wing on a car that cant go fast enough to make it work should be shot!! |
Originally Posted by scrid3r
(Post 1437226)
600$ for full swap from some random on forums...ok. then you get somebody to drive the motor from some guys garage to your shop of choice. ofcourse if you are smart you will decide to do water pump/timing belt on the b-series. so thats another 150$ in parts atleast. A proper install will run you about 500-600$ thats not too ghetto. so now you are at $1250-1350 atleast and you are installing a motor from some random you dont even know. ok sounds decent enough. i have a b18a1 with gsr tranny...yeah it goes but its still slow.
now i had plans of turbo'ing my old D, piecing everything together it costed me about 1400 that included all the piping/intercooler/14b turbo/manifold/3"dp/oil lines/gauges/bov etc...if you are smart enough you could install the kit yourself with the help of few friends. now stock d that was maintained can take 210whp no problem. here is the thing. we are talking about whp not at the crank. all the b16s that are 160hp at the crank usually run 125-130whp on a good day lol. so what would be the point of spending approximatly the same money on a b-swap while you can piece together a turbo kit? and if you gonna say stock d is not reliable, then A. you obviously dont know that Zee tunes well and B. who gives a crap you can just buy another one for 200$ lol. now who wants to bring up k-series? lol i'd be glad to rip on those too. nicely put. |
you guys seem to be forgetting all of the supporting mods that go along with boosting ANY engine/car.
To boost a D you'll also need at least a stage 2 clutch (a good new one is roughly $400-700 depending on where you buy it) and a proper PCV/catch can setup, a 255lph fuel pump, bigger injectors, chipped ecu, conversion harness (if your car isn't already obd1) and tuning. All of this stuff that i've listed can easily run you $1500-2000 plus installation if you can't do it yourself. Then what good is a civic with 200whp if it can't stop/handle well? No good, let me tell you. I've seen my fair share of civics with gobs of power that handle like a turd or stop like a stock civic (not good with that much power). So you'll also want a decent suspension setup and some better brakes (at a bare minimum better rotors and pads). Although, in my opinion, these are all things that should be done before ever boosting your car, but thats not always the case. I'm not knocking boost in any way, hell, I daily drive my boosted civic year round. Boost FTMFW !!! |
Originally Posted by LocaL|6
(Post 1437269)
So you pride your self on spending 2500-5000 on a motor for a car you bought for 3000? Anyone can dump a big motor into a little car and make it go fast. It takes skill and knowledge to make a little motor scream.
And for the record i DONT work at timmies or macd's, I most likely made more then you last year. Being a Plumber/welder with a gas ticket in the union works well for me, and im not retarded and spend all my money on a car that at the end of the day is still a honda. Sure if i wanted to i would put a k boosted in a pos then roll it around to gay car shows to show everyone how much money i wasted, maybe even put some cool stickers on it....ya now where talking. race for slips??? i could use a new septic tank for my cottage. just my 2cents. oh and anyone that puts a wing on a car that cant go fast enough to make it work should be shot!! |
Originally Posted by zeeman
(Post 1437281)
you guys seem to be forgetting all of the supporting mods that go along with boosting ANY engine/car.
To boost a D you'll also need at least a stage 2 clutch (a good new one is roughly $400-700 depending on where you buy it) and a proper PCV/catch can setup, a 255lph fuel pump, bigger injectors, chipped ecu, conversion harness (if your car isn't already obd1) and tuning. All of this stuff that i've listed can easily run you $1500-2000 plus installation if you can't do it yourself. Then what good is a civic with 200whp if it can't stop/handle well? No good, let me tell you. I've seen my fair share of civics with gobs of power that handle like a turd or stop like a stock civic (not good with that much power). So you'll also want a decent suspension setup and some better brakes (at a bare minimum better rotors and pads). Although, in my opinion, these are all things that should be done before ever boosting your car, but thats not always the case. I'm not knocking boost in any way, hell, I daily drive my boosted civic year round. Boost FTMFW !!! |
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