Proof that police actually aren't Dumb to the issue
17-Jun-2003, 09:25 AM
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Proof that police actually aren't Dumb to the issue
17-Jun-2003, 11:20 AM
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Ok....so the Star found ONE person that would open up and give thier opinion......what about the rest? Do you think the insurance companies will change their attutude about "modified" cars? Nope. Not anytime soon.....Insurance companies live in their own little worlds. To them, ALL modified cars are race cars.
By the way, is Mathew John, chief executive of the Police and Community Educating Racers program (P.A.C.E.R.) actually a cop?
I'll take a guess and say no.
Yes, I know for a FACT there ARE police officers that think the same way as this guy does......if only the rest would open thier eyes and actualy SEE who the real problem makers are. I like the "500lbs stereo" comment, because most of the time it's true. I've yet to go to the track and see a stereo compition car or "Show" car do well in the 1/4 mile (yes, I know there are some that do well.....but they are far and few between).
lol
I've said it in the past, and I'll say it again........people that have done up thier car's exterior's with 1000's of $$'s worth of toys/mods, are NOT going to go out there and race their cars (most of the time this is true). It would be too expensive (not to mention STUPID) to fix somthing if they wrecked thier cars.
The old......."Don't judge a book by it's cover." saying is what is running through my head right now. Too bad more cops don't feel the same way.
I'll let you know if I make it thought the summer without a ticket.....
:cry:
There have been other articles in the past.....yet the "everyone with a done up car, is a racer" attitude still exsists. 
They have to clarify the rules like they have done on the US....imparticularly like they have done in California.
They have rules and regulations on things like engine mods....tints....how low a car can be.....ect. Until they implement these type of things up here..... if a cop SAYS your car is too low, or your tints are too dark.... then they are. Nothing you can do about it except take the ticket to court.
I just hope the the car ethusist's have a say, IF and WHEN they start to clarify these "rules". It would suck if some guy that hates Honda's is the one to write up what can and can't be done.
Ok....maybe that last one is right.
Only time will tell what will happen to our hobby.
Drive safe everyone.
By the way, is Mathew John, chief executive of the Police and Community Educating Racers program (P.A.C.E.R.) actually a cop?
I'll take a guess and say no.
Yes, I know for a FACT there ARE police officers that think the same way as this guy does......if only the rest would open thier eyes and actualy SEE who the real problem makers are. I like the "500lbs stereo" comment, because most of the time it's true. I've yet to go to the track and see a stereo compition car or "Show" car do well in the 1/4 mile (yes, I know there are some that do well.....but they are far and few between).
1st guy.........."wanna race?"
2nd guy.........."Hold on a second, I need to remove my stereo system so I can lighten up the car......"
2nd guy.........."Hold on a second, I need to remove my stereo system so I can lighten up the car......"
lol
I've said it in the past, and I'll say it again........people that have done up thier car's exterior's with 1000's of $$'s worth of toys/mods, are NOT going to go out there and race their cars (most of the time this is true). It would be too expensive (not to mention STUPID) to fix somthing if they wrecked thier cars.
The old......."Don't judge a book by it's cover." saying is what is running through my head right now. Too bad more cops don't feel the same way.
I'll let you know if I make it thought the summer without a ticket.....
But officer....the only mod I've done, is the pretty airplane air freashener on the dash.
Sweet!
Nice article finally!
Nice article finally!
They have to clarify the rules like they have done on the US....imparticularly like they have done in California.
They have rules and regulations on things like engine mods....tints....how low a car can be.....ect. Until they implement these type of things up here..... if a cop SAYS your car is too low, or your tints are too dark.... then they are. Nothing you can do about it except take the ticket to court.
I just hope the the car ethusist's have a say, IF and WHEN they start to clarify these "rules". It would suck if some guy that hates Honda's is the one to write up what can and can't be done.
Nope.....nothing over a 14" rim on the car.....nope.....no tints, they look like crap IMO.......nope......no big useless aluminium spoilers that don't do anything...
Ok....maybe that last one is right.
Only time will tell what will happen to our hobby.
Drive safe everyone.
17-Jun-2003, 01:24 PM
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I am sorry Al
for once it is something not ******* negative ...........that is all I was saying ......for once it was nice to see an article that didn't say all modded cars are street racers...I guess it is just better if all the articles say that we are...My bad....
for once it is something not ******* negative ...........that is all I was saying ......for once it was nice to see an article that didn't say all modded cars are street racers...I guess it is just better if all the articles say that we are...My bad....
17-Jun-2003, 01:50 PM
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Never said it was a bad thing.......(I haven't forgoten all the BAD stuff that the Star HAS published either.......have you?).
All I'm saying that is until the rules are clarified, we will always get harrased....plain and simple. Until the cops have specific guidelines to follow, they will always think that we are in the wrong.
Remember, a cop last year said i was speeding down Kennedy (which I wasn't), and had the numbers to prove it....(he didn't have a radar that I could see, and i walked up to the cop car and looked)......yet, he gave me a ticket for tint's too dark. What's that all about. Then the thing gets droped in court.
Like I said......good for someone to come out and say someting, but until all the cops (or at least more than what there are now), change their attitude about our hobby, expect to get picked on.
By the way, can you tell me what page was it on? How big was the article?
I'll bet it was in an out of the way place that most people wouldn't notice.
All I'm saying that is until the rules are clarified, we will always get harrased....plain and simple. Until the cops have specific guidelines to follow, they will always think that we are in the wrong.
Remember, a cop last year said i was speeding down Kennedy (which I wasn't), and had the numbers to prove it....(he didn't have a radar that I could see, and i walked up to the cop car and looked)......yet, he gave me a ticket for tint's too dark. What's that all about. Then the thing gets droped in court.
Like I said......good for someone to come out and say someting, but until all the cops (or at least more than what there are now), change their attitude about our hobby, expect to get picked on.
By the way, can you tell me what page was it on? How big was the article?
I'll bet it was in an out of the way place that most people wouldn't notice.
17-Jun-2003, 01:56 PM
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Hey... about that thing on illegal mods... well, what about if you've done all the mods prior to this legislation, does that mean you have to remove all your equipment... will the government buy the equipment back from you since they made it illegal AFTER your purchase?? Why do we even allow different engines in cars?? Why not just put a 2.2L Cavalier engine in EVERY car sold in north america, and call it a day. I mean... Vipers stock are street legal, and most of OUR civics are not as dangerous or fast as the Viper, yet... a modded 15 second SOHC 1.6L is ILLEGAL but a V10 8L motor is legal???? and our cars put out prolly 1/16th of the pollution that the Viper motor will put out... and use 1/8 of the gas if not less! Makes NO sense to me at all 
By them, we should all have 100 hp, no more no less... slippery slope this legislation. If this ever happens, I'm buying me a 502 ci engine and dropping that into a Z28 Camaro 6 speed.
By them, we should all have 100 hp, no more no less... slippery slope this legislation. If this ever happens, I'm buying me a 502 ci engine and dropping that into a Z28 Camaro 6 speed.
17-Jun-2003, 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by bbarbulo
Hey... about that thing on illegal mods... well, what about if you've done all the mods prior to this legislation, does that mean you have to remove all your equipment... will the government buy the equipment back from you since they made it illegal AFTER your purchase?? Why do we even allow different engines in cars?? Why not just put a 2.2L Cavalier engine in EVERY car sold in north america, and call it a day. I mean... Vipers stock are street legal, and most of OUR civics are not as dangerous or fast as the Viper, yet... a modded 15 second SOHC 1.6L is ILLEGAL but a V10 8L motor is legal???? and our cars put out prolly 1/16th of the pollution that the Viper motor will put out... and use 1/8 of the gas if not less! Makes NO sense to me at all By them, we should all have 100 hp, no more no less... slippery slope this legislation. If this ever happens, I'm buying me a 502 ci engine and dropping that into a Z28 Camaro 6 speed.
Hey... about that thing on illegal mods... well, what about if you've done all the mods prior to this legislation, does that mean you have to remove all your equipment... will the government buy the equipment back from you since they made it illegal AFTER your purchase?? Why do we even allow different engines in cars?? Why not just put a 2.2L Cavalier engine in EVERY car sold in north america, and call it a day. I mean... Vipers stock are street legal, and most of OUR civics are not as dangerous or fast as the Viper, yet... a modded 15 second SOHC 1.6L is ILLEGAL but a V10 8L motor is legal???? and our cars put out prolly 1/16th of the pollution that the Viper motor will put out... and use 1/8 of the gas if not less! Makes NO sense to me at all
By them, we should all have 100 hp, no more no less... slippery slope this legislation. If this ever happens, I'm buying me a 502 ci engine and dropping that into a Z28 Camaro 6 speed.
What about a chevy small block in a 6th gen
17-Jun-2003, 02:05 PM
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Ok, now you're making fun of me 
The 502 fits, for real... Not sure if the stock 6 speed bolts up, but Richmond Gear makes a 6 spd for the 502... What I'm saying is they complain about us having 130 hp... when in fact there are stock cars out there in excess of 250, even 300 HP STOCK!!! And they don't worry much about them? So where is the logic?
The 502 fits, for real... Not sure if the stock 6 speed bolts up, but Richmond Gear makes a 6 spd for the 502... What I'm saying is they complain about us having 130 hp... when in fact there are stock cars out there in excess of 250, even 300 HP STOCK!!! And they don't worry much about them? So where is the logic?
17-Jun-2003, 02:07 PM
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I was just gonna post this same thing. I was eatting lunch and reading the paper. I liked the article.
In the past 3 years there have been 12 cases of things going wronge and only 2 had to do with HONDA's.
For someone like myself who is more into looks and shows rather then racing the article shows that there are MANY People like myself. People with big systems, body kits and other stuff that we do for the love of modding a car and not for the stupid STREET RACING.
Just my $.02
Rich
In the past 3 years there have been 12 cases of things going wronge and only 2 had to do with HONDA's.
For someone like myself who is more into looks and shows rather then racing the article shows that there are MANY People like myself. People with big systems, body kits and other stuff that we do for the love of modding a car and not for the stupid STREET RACING.
Just my $.02
Rich
17-Jun-2003, 02:16 PM
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You can put an idiot behind the wheel of any car, and that's the bottom line... dunno if you guys saw my post about the guy in the BMW hanging out the window shooting me the finger while passing me... he mustabeen doing about 140... wish I got his plate, but... I was quite dumbfounded that a GROWN MAN would do such a thing
17-Jun-2003, 02:55 PM
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WNT_2_Go_Fast, what page and section of the paper was it in?
Just as I thought, Mathew John used to be a rep for Formula Honda. At least it's good to see he's trying to help, but until someone of importance in the public's eye says something.......ie...like Chief Fantino or someone like him..... I won't be holding my breath.
I'm optimistc......but also realistc.
Here, read the article........
Click here....
P.A.C.E.R. web site......
http://www.pacer.ca/
There are a few articles for your reading enjoyment. It's amazing....most of the articles start out with Honda this, and Honda that.....yet, when you read the article on the accidents, most of the time they involve another type of car. (CBCNews article)
Unfairly grouped......what do you think?
I can see where the insurance companies get their info from now.(saw the pacer flyer when I went to see my agent the other day....it was in was in his waiting room)
The above quote CAME directly from the P.A.C.E.R. site.
Even they are grouping all of us together. Helping us(?).....I'm starting to wonder now.
How do you explain this?
By the way, a quote from one of the stories....
Wow...that's a surprise.
Another one I found.......
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Stereotyping Street Racing Teens
(regular article by Sandra Tipei, Gr. 10 LAT Gifted Program)
Just as I was about to start writing my article this morning, I got furious when I saw another TV show stereotyping young drivers.
It was a Ricki Lake episode about street drag racing. I was very sympathetic to the family whose daughter was killed in a car driven by a guy who street raced but some of the other guests who were "street racers" just made me sick.
I don't know in which garbage can they found this one guest but choosing him to be on the show caused further serious misrepresentation and stereotyping of young drivers. In their conversation, they included the fact that 3.2 million North Americans were killed or injured in car accidents in 2000 and they implied that they all had to do with street racers. I thought that maybe I was just overly sensitive to these issues, but it really does frustrate me to see young people dissed that way. This brings me to my article this month and I have so much to say about the above!
As you walk down streets nowadays, it is more and more evident that many cars look out of the ordinary. They are more noticeable especially now that summer has begun and more modified cars pop up. Many people assume that all of these cars take part in street racing mainly because of media hype and of course the movie, "The Fast and The Furious." In truth, only a small fraction take part in racing on the street, so why the big fuss?
Since the above-mentioned movie was shown last summer, many more young people have modified their cars in one way or another and assumed they could drive as well as the stunt drivers. What many don't realize is that street racing was not created in the summer of 2001; it has been going on for decades. A lot of young people think they just invented it.
The awareness of street racing and the whole lifestyle has just become more out in the open as a result of this movie. The media has also profited from all the attention. Street racing and the lifestyle around it has, unfortunately, become the topic of many shows and news reports in which each person with a modified car is stereotyped as a street racer who drives recklessly whenever they can. Don't get me wrong, there are those who think they are invincible, who cut through traffic like there’s no tomorrow, but it is not how the majority of people with modified cars drive.
Getting people to understand this has become increasingly difficult and many drivers with modified cars are getting unjustly persecuted because of these stereotypes. On a news report from City Pulse, it was said that approximately 20,000 cars are modified in the GTA and they all participate in street racing. This is very hard to believe and unfortunately, because of reports like this the people who modify their cars just for their own pleasure and enjoyment are getting pulled over senselessly by police for many more minor things.
There has been a new division of the Toronto police created specifically to deal with the issue of street racing. It’s called P.A.C.E.R. I completely agree that all the reckless drivers who endanger their lives and the lives of others should be penalized for their ignorance. But attacking a whole community of car enthusiasts is going to cause problems.
It is not only people in modified cars who drive recklessly. The stereotyping of young drivers in modified cars causing all the problems is there but needs some serious reconsideration.
In closing, I believe that if more time and energy were spent educating young people on driving properly and showing them the risks of racing on the streets, there would be an improvement in attitude and perhaps less street racing. Also, if the government is so intent on spending money on ending street racing, why not build a track where young people can go to safely race with safety crews and other responsible professionals on hand. Will street racing end by clamping down on it? Get real. A lot more people would keep it on the track.
There are many different ways of addressing the problem of street racing without destroying a fun, worthwhile activity (modifying cars) and upsetting a community of responsible enthusiasts.
If anyone has any comments on this topic please contact me at sandratipei@hotmail.com or send your thoughts to the "Gift Rap" newsletter.
Just as I thought, Mathew John used to be a rep for Formula Honda. At least it's good to see he's trying to help, but until someone of importance in the public's eye says something.......ie...like Chief Fantino or someone like him..... I won't be holding my breath.
I'm optimistc......but also realistc.
Here, read the article........
Click here....
P.A.C.E.R. web site......
http://www.pacer.ca/
There are a few articles for your reading enjoyment. It's amazing....most of the articles start out with Honda this, and Honda that.....yet, when you read the article on the accidents, most of the time they involve another type of car. (CBCNews article)
Unfairly grouped......what do you think?
I can see where the insurance companies get their info from now.(saw the pacer flyer when I went to see my agent the other day....it was in was in his waiting room)
Many street racers also make changes to their cars that are unsafe resulting in numerous traffic tickets, and insurance rate hikes. These changes, known as modifications, improve the look and performance of vehicles. However, not all modifications may be safe and these unsafe modifications could have an impact on you.
Unsafe Modifications The Impact It Has On You.
1. Use of nitrous oxide
. If a vehicle carrying Nitrous is involved in a motor vehicle accident it could cause an explosion resulting in serious injury or death
2. Cut Springs
-Cutting or altering the springs that come as original equipment in your vehicle is not recommended. A vehicle with cut springs will have less rebound in it’s suspension, which can result in an accident when driving over potholes, or other irregularities on the roads surface
3. Non-approved after market products
- Aftermarket products that are not approved for road use can lead to serious accidents. There are specific reasons why safety standards are implemented for parts which are used on public roads
4. Oversized rims and tires
-Oversized rims are extremely attractive, but sometimes can be installed incorrectly. Proper installation will avoid the rim from dismounting while the vehicle is in motion. Depending on the size of the rim, clearance levels must be within exact tolerances in order to avoid contact between the tires and the body of the vehicle
5. Loud sound and stereo systems
-Sound systems are nice to have as long as they are not a distraction to the driver. When played loudly, these systems pose a safety hazard, as the driver is unable to hear anything other than the music from the stereo. The driver would be unable to hear the siren of an emergency vehicle, or an oncoming train or other passenger vehicles etc…
6. Catalytic converters
-This common modification results in severe environmental issues. When the catalytic converter is removed, it increases a vehicles horsepower. However, it is a major contributor to the green house effect which in turn affects the air we breathe
Unsafe Modifications The Impact It Has On You.
1. Use of nitrous oxide
. If a vehicle carrying Nitrous is involved in a motor vehicle accident it could cause an explosion resulting in serious injury or death
2. Cut Springs
-Cutting or altering the springs that come as original equipment in your vehicle is not recommended. A vehicle with cut springs will have less rebound in it’s suspension, which can result in an accident when driving over potholes, or other irregularities on the roads surface
3. Non-approved after market products
- Aftermarket products that are not approved for road use can lead to serious accidents. There are specific reasons why safety standards are implemented for parts which are used on public roads
4. Oversized rims and tires
-Oversized rims are extremely attractive, but sometimes can be installed incorrectly. Proper installation will avoid the rim from dismounting while the vehicle is in motion. Depending on the size of the rim, clearance levels must be within exact tolerances in order to avoid contact between the tires and the body of the vehicle
5. Loud sound and stereo systems
-Sound systems are nice to have as long as they are not a distraction to the driver. When played loudly, these systems pose a safety hazard, as the driver is unable to hear anything other than the music from the stereo. The driver would be unable to hear the siren of an emergency vehicle, or an oncoming train or other passenger vehicles etc…
6. Catalytic converters
-This common modification results in severe environmental issues. When the catalytic converter is removed, it increases a vehicles horsepower. However, it is a major contributor to the green house effect which in turn affects the air we breathe
Even they are grouping all of us together. Helping us(?).....I'm starting to wonder now.
How do you explain this?
By the way, a quote from one of the stories....
“One of the things we’ve noticed is that a large portion of the people we are ticketing or charging are only G1 or G2 licence holders, so they’re only novice drivers.”
Another one I found.......
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stereotyping Street Racing Teens
(regular article by Sandra Tipei, Gr. 10 LAT Gifted Program)
Just as I was about to start writing my article this morning, I got furious when I saw another TV show stereotyping young drivers.
It was a Ricki Lake episode about street drag racing. I was very sympathetic to the family whose daughter was killed in a car driven by a guy who street raced but some of the other guests who were "street racers" just made me sick.
I don't know in which garbage can they found this one guest but choosing him to be on the show caused further serious misrepresentation and stereotyping of young drivers. In their conversation, they included the fact that 3.2 million North Americans were killed or injured in car accidents in 2000 and they implied that they all had to do with street racers. I thought that maybe I was just overly sensitive to these issues, but it really does frustrate me to see young people dissed that way. This brings me to my article this month and I have so much to say about the above!
As you walk down streets nowadays, it is more and more evident that many cars look out of the ordinary. They are more noticeable especially now that summer has begun and more modified cars pop up. Many people assume that all of these cars take part in street racing mainly because of media hype and of course the movie, "The Fast and The Furious." In truth, only a small fraction take part in racing on the street, so why the big fuss?
Since the above-mentioned movie was shown last summer, many more young people have modified their cars in one way or another and assumed they could drive as well as the stunt drivers. What many don't realize is that street racing was not created in the summer of 2001; it has been going on for decades. A lot of young people think they just invented it.
The awareness of street racing and the whole lifestyle has just become more out in the open as a result of this movie. The media has also profited from all the attention. Street racing and the lifestyle around it has, unfortunately, become the topic of many shows and news reports in which each person with a modified car is stereotyped as a street racer who drives recklessly whenever they can. Don't get me wrong, there are those who think they are invincible, who cut through traffic like there’s no tomorrow, but it is not how the majority of people with modified cars drive.
Getting people to understand this has become increasingly difficult and many drivers with modified cars are getting unjustly persecuted because of these stereotypes. On a news report from City Pulse, it was said that approximately 20,000 cars are modified in the GTA and they all participate in street racing. This is very hard to believe and unfortunately, because of reports like this the people who modify their cars just for their own pleasure and enjoyment are getting pulled over senselessly by police for many more minor things.
There has been a new division of the Toronto police created specifically to deal with the issue of street racing. It’s called P.A.C.E.R. I completely agree that all the reckless drivers who endanger their lives and the lives of others should be penalized for their ignorance. But attacking a whole community of car enthusiasts is going to cause problems.
It is not only people in modified cars who drive recklessly. The stereotyping of young drivers in modified cars causing all the problems is there but needs some serious reconsideration.
In closing, I believe that if more time and energy were spent educating young people on driving properly and showing them the risks of racing on the streets, there would be an improvement in attitude and perhaps less street racing. Also, if the government is so intent on spending money on ending street racing, why not build a track where young people can go to safely race with safety crews and other responsible professionals on hand. Will street racing end by clamping down on it? Get real. A lot more people would keep it on the track.
There are many different ways of addressing the problem of street racing without destroying a fun, worthwhile activity (modifying cars) and upsetting a community of responsible enthusiasts.
If anyone has any comments on this topic please contact me at sandratipei@hotmail.com or send your thoughts to the "Gift Rap" newsletter.
17-Jun-2003, 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by PULOVR
WNT_2_Go_Fast, what page and section of the paper was it in?
Just as I thought, Mathew John used to be a rep for Formula Honda. At least it's good to see he's trying to help, but until someone of importance in the public's eye says something.......ie...like Chief Fantino or someone like him..... I won't be holding my breath.
I'm optimistc......but also realistc.
Here, read the article........
Click here....
P.A.C.E.R. web site......
http://www.pacer.ca/
There are a few articles for your reading enjoyment. It's amazing....most of the articles start out with Honda this, and Honda that.....yet, when you read the article on the accidents, most of the time they involve another type of car. (CBCNews article)
Unfairly grouped......what do you think?
I can see where the insurance companies get their info from now.(saw the pacer flyer when I went to see my agent the other day....it was in was in his waiting room)
The above quote CAME directly from the P.A.C.E.R. site.
Even they are grouping all of us together. Helping us(?).....I'm starting to wonder now.
How do you explain this?
By the way, a quote from one of the stories....
Wow...that's a surprise.
Another one I found.......
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stereotyping Street Racing Teens
(regular article by Sandra Tipei, Gr. 10 LAT Gifted Program)
Just as I was about to start writing my article this morning, I got furious when I saw another TV show stereotyping young drivers.
It was a Ricki Lake episode about street drag racing. I was very sympathetic to the family whose daughter was killed in a car driven by a guy who street raced but some of the other guests who were "street racers" just made me sick.
I don't know in which garbage can they found this one guest but choosing him to be on the show caused further serious misrepresentation and stereotyping of young drivers. In their conversation, they included the fact that 3.2 million North Americans were killed or injured in car accidents in 2000 and they implied that they all had to do with street racers. I thought that maybe I was just overly sensitive to these issues, but it really does frustrate me to see young people dissed that way. This brings me to my article this month and I have so much to say about the above!
As you walk down streets nowadays, it is more and more evident that many cars look out of the ordinary. They are more noticeable especially now that summer has begun and more modified cars pop up. Many people assume that all of these cars take part in street racing mainly because of media hype and of course the movie, "The Fast and The Furious." In truth, only a small fraction take part in racing on the street, so why the big fuss?
Since the above-mentioned movie was shown last summer, many more young people have modified their cars in one way or another and assumed they could drive as well as the stunt drivers. What many don't realize is that street racing was not created in the summer of 2001; it has been going on for decades. A lot of young people think they just invented it.
The awareness of street racing and the whole lifestyle has just become more out in the open as a result of this movie. The media has also profited from all the attention. Street racing and the lifestyle around it has, unfortunately, become the topic of many shows and news reports in which each person with a modified car is stereotyped as a street racer who drives recklessly whenever they can. Don't get me wrong, there are those who think they are invincible, who cut through traffic like there’s no tomorrow, but it is not how the majority of people with modified cars drive.
Getting people to understand this has become increasingly difficult and many drivers with modified cars are getting unjustly persecuted because of these stereotypes. On a news report from City Pulse, it was said that approximately 20,000 cars are modified in the GTA and they all participate in street racing. This is very hard to believe and unfortunately, because of reports like this the people who modify their cars just for their own pleasure and enjoyment are getting pulled over senselessly by police for many more minor things.
There has been a new division of the Toronto police created specifically to deal with the issue of street racing. It’s called P.A.C.E.R. I completely agree that all the reckless drivers who endanger their lives and the lives of others should be penalized for their ignorance. But attacking a whole community of car enthusiasts is going to cause problems.
It is not only people in modified cars who drive recklessly. The stereotyping of young drivers in modified cars causing all the problems is there but needs some serious reconsideration.
In closing, I believe that if more time and energy were spent educating young people on driving properly and showing them the risks of racing on the streets, there would be an improvement in attitude and perhaps less street racing. Also, if the government is so intent on spending money on ending street racing, why not build a track where young people can go to safely race with safety crews and other responsible professionals on hand. Will street racing end by clamping down on it? Get real. A lot more people would keep it on the track.
There are many different ways of addressing the problem of street racing without destroying a fun, worthwhile activity (modifying cars) and upsetting a community of responsible enthusiasts.
If anyone has any comments on this topic please contact me at sandratipei@hotmail.com or send your thoughts to the "Gift Rap" newsletter.
WNT_2_Go_Fast, what page and section of the paper was it in?
Just as I thought, Mathew John used to be a rep for Formula Honda. At least it's good to see he's trying to help, but until someone of importance in the public's eye says something.......ie...like Chief Fantino or someone like him..... I won't be holding my breath.
I'm optimistc......but also realistc.
Here, read the article........
Click here....
P.A.C.E.R. web site......
http://www.pacer.ca/
There are a few articles for your reading enjoyment. It's amazing....most of the articles start out with Honda this, and Honda that.....yet, when you read the article on the accidents, most of the time they involve another type of car. (CBCNews article)
Unfairly grouped......what do you think?
I can see where the insurance companies get their info from now.(saw the pacer flyer when I went to see my agent the other day....it was in was in his waiting room)
The above quote CAME directly from the P.A.C.E.R. site.
Even they are grouping all of us together. Helping us(?).....I'm starting to wonder now.
How do you explain this?
By the way, a quote from one of the stories....
Wow...that's a surprise.
Another one I found.......
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Stereotyping Street Racing Teens
(regular article by Sandra Tipei, Gr. 10 LAT Gifted Program)
Just as I was about to start writing my article this morning, I got furious when I saw another TV show stereotyping young drivers.
It was a Ricki Lake episode about street drag racing. I was very sympathetic to the family whose daughter was killed in a car driven by a guy who street raced but some of the other guests who were "street racers" just made me sick.
I don't know in which garbage can they found this one guest but choosing him to be on the show caused further serious misrepresentation and stereotyping of young drivers. In their conversation, they included the fact that 3.2 million North Americans were killed or injured in car accidents in 2000 and they implied that they all had to do with street racers. I thought that maybe I was just overly sensitive to these issues, but it really does frustrate me to see young people dissed that way. This brings me to my article this month and I have so much to say about the above!
As you walk down streets nowadays, it is more and more evident that many cars look out of the ordinary. They are more noticeable especially now that summer has begun and more modified cars pop up. Many people assume that all of these cars take part in street racing mainly because of media hype and of course the movie, "The Fast and The Furious." In truth, only a small fraction take part in racing on the street, so why the big fuss?
Since the above-mentioned movie was shown last summer, many more young people have modified their cars in one way or another and assumed they could drive as well as the stunt drivers. What many don't realize is that street racing was not created in the summer of 2001; it has been going on for decades. A lot of young people think they just invented it.
The awareness of street racing and the whole lifestyle has just become more out in the open as a result of this movie. The media has also profited from all the attention. Street racing and the lifestyle around it has, unfortunately, become the topic of many shows and news reports in which each person with a modified car is stereotyped as a street racer who drives recklessly whenever they can. Don't get me wrong, there are those who think they are invincible, who cut through traffic like there’s no tomorrow, but it is not how the majority of people with modified cars drive.
Getting people to understand this has become increasingly difficult and many drivers with modified cars are getting unjustly persecuted because of these stereotypes. On a news report from City Pulse, it was said that approximately 20,000 cars are modified in the GTA and they all participate in street racing. This is very hard to believe and unfortunately, because of reports like this the people who modify their cars just for their own pleasure and enjoyment are getting pulled over senselessly by police for many more minor things.
There has been a new division of the Toronto police created specifically to deal with the issue of street racing. It’s called P.A.C.E.R. I completely agree that all the reckless drivers who endanger their lives and the lives of others should be penalized for their ignorance. But attacking a whole community of car enthusiasts is going to cause problems.
It is not only people in modified cars who drive recklessly. The stereotyping of young drivers in modified cars causing all the problems is there but needs some serious reconsideration.
In closing, I believe that if more time and energy were spent educating young people on driving properly and showing them the risks of racing on the streets, there would be an improvement in attitude and perhaps less street racing. Also, if the government is so intent on spending money on ending street racing, why not build a track where young people can go to safely race with safety crews and other responsible professionals on hand. Will street racing end by clamping down on it? Get real. A lot more people would keep it on the track.
There are many different ways of addressing the problem of street racing without destroying a fun, worthwhile activity (modifying cars) and upsetting a community of responsible enthusiasts.
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I WAS JUST SAYING IT WAS NICE TO SEE A MORE POSITIVE ANGLE
17-Jun-2003, 03:01 PM
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Yes, it's a nice article, but you all know that nobody remembers the good........and if they do, it is quicky forgotton when something bad happens.
I guess today would be a good day for a criuse.......well, until another moron crashes into a pole and the public finds out.
BOND007.....I see what you are trying to do, but you must realize that until the regulations that SHOULD be put into place are in fact put into place, it will be a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong summer for anyone with a sportcompact car.....especialy a Honda.
I guess today would be a good day for a criuse.......well, until another moron crashes into a pole and the public finds out.
BOND007.....I see what you are trying to do, but you must realize that until the regulations that SHOULD be put into place are in fact put into place, it will be a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong summer for anyone with a sportcompact car.....especialy a Honda.
17-Jun-2003, 03:03 PM
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Well, any comments on the......
The above quote CAME directly from the P.A.C.E.R. site.
Even they are grouping all of us together. Helping us(?).....I'm starting to wonder now.
How do you explain this?
Even they are grouping all of us together. Helping us(?).....I'm starting to wonder now.
How do you explain this?
