imported_climax

Sure is. But just because you have trained with him and talked to him does not mean you even know him. You do not know his personal life nor what he does behind closed doors. He may seem like a nice guy or be a nice guy but that does not mean in any way that he does not take roids.

But look at it this way. The guy looked big at 170, then you hear he is making 155..it is crazy. The guy has a crazy diet and trains super hard. Fine.

But when you have a postive test for the stuff that is double what the normal athlete naturally has in both samples there is a problem. Then he denies it and says he did not take it?.. Did you read his statement? He said he does not even know how to take it or what it is. Are you serious... you would believe that from a guy who is in the sport training and working out and he hasnt heard of it. He is lying through his teeth...

The guy is a tank who has beaten up on a lot of cans to get his 32-2 record (he has beaten lots of good people, but look at some unknown people he has beaten that make up most of his record) but only lost to 2 great people so yes he is a champion... err was a champion, because they should be taking away his title...

Where do you train btw?

imported_climax

really??? lol....

marcopolo

True to some extent, but being in this sport it's fairly easy to tell the roid monkeys from the real athletes.

Yes, because he weighs in at 155 does not mean he actually weighs that much. Like i said earlier, he walks around at 180-185 daily, and cuts the weight pre-fight for the weigh in. He is able to cut so much because of his diet, and his training habits.

Double the limit isn't much. I know people who have not been allowed to compete for testing just under twice the limit, and i know for a fact they're not taking steriods. Combinations of different supplements, including nitric oxide and creatine are known to mess with your results. Twice the limit isn't even enough of the substance to make a differnence in weight nor muscle gain. Hell, Gracie had over 10 times the limit in his system.

Just because some of his victories are over people you say are "unknown" doesn't mean they're not fair competitors. I know a lot of people that are fairly "unknown" in the sport, and they deserve just as much respect as any other fighter and shouldn't be overlooked.

http://www.teamtompkins.com/

imported_climax

Did you think Gracie was on the roids before his fight, because he looked in the best shape of his life... He went up from 170 to 183 (I think) to fight Sakaraba(sp?). Hard to do when your over 40 apprantly... No one suspected him of it.

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Yes, because he weighs in at 155 does not mean he actually weighs that much. Like i said earlier, he walks around at 180-185 daily, and cuts the weight pre-fight for the weigh in. He is able to cut so much because of his diet, and his training habits.

Yes I know that...I was just stating that it was crazy that he makes 155 considering he looked big at 170. I didnt mean anything by it except that I was agreeing with you that he has a crazy diet and training.

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Double the limit isn't much. I know people who have not been allowed to compete for testing just under twice the limit, and i know for a fact they're not taking steriods. Combinations of different supplements, including nitric oxide and creatine are known to mess with your results. Twice the limit isn't even enough of the substance to make a differnence in weight nor muscle gain. Hell, Gracie had over 10 times the limit in his system.

The normal athlete under rigorous activity is about 6.. He had 12. Gracie was off the charts, but look what he looked like from Hughes to Sakaraba lol and no one suspected anything apprantly. But seriously, please do not tell me you believe Sherk when he said he does not know what they are and how to get them... or whatever it was he said.

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Just because some of his victories are over people you say are "unknown" doesn't mean they're not fair competitors. I know a lot of people that are fairly "unknown" in the sport, and they deserve just as much respect as any other fighter and shouldn't be overlooked.

Oh of course not, but some people act like his 32-2 record his some sort of godly status... when he has beaten on some "unworthy" competitors to get it. I dont mean to say anything real bad about him because he has only lost to 2 of the top WW in the world but I am getting at his 32-2 Record is not as great as some people make it out to be. Beat 2 of the top LW in the world and then prehaps.. but Florian is not a top LW. He was going to fight Penn, which would have proved a lot but that wont be happening because of Sherk and the roid situation.

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http://www.teamtompkins.com/

Sweet but thats pretty far from toronto. But Ive heard of them.

marcopolo

Gracie, without a doubt could not gain that kind of muscle mass in that period of time at his age without enhancements.

I would say everyone that knows anything about MMA knows what they are, and how they're used, and the advantages and disadvantages of using them. As far as him taking them...who knows. In the shape he is in, with the amount that he had in his system, it wouldn't have effected his muscle mass at all.


Records shouldn't be how a fighter is rated. Hell, look at Tito's record, and rememeber 3 of his win's are against Shamrock.


Yes, but i dont live in toronto. We have 3 UFC fighters, multiple TKO fighters, and a few IFL fighters on Bas Rutten's team. Along with many world champions in kickboxing.

imported_climax

Agreed, that is what I was saying

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I would say everyone that knows anything about MMA knows what they are, and how they're used, and the advantages and disadvantages of using them. As far as him taking them...who knows. In the shape he is in, with the amount that he had in his system, it wouldn't have effected his muscle mass at all.

So you agree that he is lying about that part at least...If it would not affect him at all why would he do it then anyway? If he had taken it. If he did not take it, why did he need to lie about saying he does not know about them.

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Records shouldn't be how a fighter is rated. Hell, look at Tito's record, and rememeber 3 of his win's are against Shamrock.

Agreed... that was my point. Some people were looking at this 32-2 and saying things he is by far the best LW ever and blah blah blah.
Before his KO to Rampage, I thought people having Chuck at #1 LHW was off based on who he beat but meh..

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Yes, but i dont live in toronto. We have 3 UFC fighters, multiple TKO fighters, and a few IFL fighters on Bas Rutten's team. Along with many world champions in kickboxing.

Yeah Ive heard of team tomkins before, just they are far out of toronto for myself to take a look at going there. They are in London no?

Hominick is fighting for a WEC title isn't he?



Link

Penn, telling it like it is..

imported_climax

Bah I just realized I was thinking of Joe Doerksen.. not Hominick.

Is Hominick the dude that had a ufc contract but asked to have it made void so he could go down to WEC? Im thinking of the guy that just lost to that to that jujitsu guy? That was a funny fight lol, the guy chased Hominick around the ring while Hominick ran.. lol until he got him down.

Xscorpio

UFC 74 RESPECT


should be a good one.



discusssss

Main card

* Heavyweight championship bout: Flag of the United States Randy Couture vs. Flag of Brazil Gabriel Gonzaga
* Welterweight bout: Flag of Canada Georges St. Pierre vs. Flag of the United States Josh Koscheck
* Lightweight bout: Flag of the United States Joe Stevenson vs. Flag of the United States Kurt Pellegrino
* Middleweight bout: Flag of Canada Patrick Côté vs. Flag of the United States Kendall Grove
* Lightweight bout: Flag of the United States Roger Huerta vs. Flag of the United States Alberto Crane

Premilinary card

* Light heavyweight bout: Flag of Brazil Renato Sobral vs. Flag of the United States David Heath
* Heavyweight bout: Flag of the United States Frank Mir vs Flag of the Netherlands Antoni Hardonk
* Lightweight bout: Flag of Brazil Marcus Aurelio vs. Flag of the United States Clay Guida
* Middleweight bout: Flag of Brazil Thales Leites vs. Flag of the United States Ryan Jensen

shlammed

isnt cro cop vs kongo on this card?

Xscorpio

^next one on sep 9th i believe, its gonna be in England, and free on spike

shlammed

oh ya thats right

ya its free but its tape delay cuz of time difference

probably be able to find an online stream to watch it live

Xscorpio

UFC 75: Champion vs. Champion


this one is gonna be sick

Main card

* Light heavyweight unification bout: Flag of the United States Quinton Jackson vs. Flag of the United States Dan Henderson[5]
* Light heavyweight bout: Flag of the United States Matt Hamill vs. Flag of the United Kingdom Michael Bisping[6]
* Heavyweight bout: Flag of Croatia Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović vs. Flag of France Cheick Kongo[7]
* Light heavyweight bout: Flag of the United States Houston Alexander vs. Flag of Italy Alessio Sakara[8]
* Welterweight bout: Flag of the United Kingdom Paul Taylor vs. Flag of the United States Marcus Davis[9]

[edit] Preliminary card

* Middleweight bout: Flag of Brazil Thiago Silva vs. Flag of Poland Tomasz Drwal[10]
* Lightweight bout: Flag of Japan Naoyuki Kotani vs. Flag of Germany Dennis Siver[11]
* Welterweight bout: Flag of the United States Anthony Torres vs. Flag of France Jess Liaudin[12]
* Lightweight bout: Flag of Brazil Gleison Tibau vs. Flag of the United Kingdom Terry Etim[13]

Xscorpio

isnt hamill the guy who is mute?

imported_climax

yes

shlammed

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=search.relatedMedia&gid=7696&ss=weigh-in

imported_climax

thanks I was looking for that...

I dont know about Rampage vs Hendo.. if there was a gun to my head Id say Rampage.. lol

Mirko by tko (or KO) in the first round...

=)

Mirko looked good at the weigh-in's... a lot better shape.

shlammed

so right when im about to give up on cro cop apparently he suffered a broken rib in the first round causing him to be passive in the next 2 rounds

http://www.ufcmania.com/

confirmed on croatian television as well

that sucks

imported_climax

yeah, he did not look like his normal self either. Kongo did do good, but I mean you could see Kongo did not want to exchange with Mirko. In that first Round Mirko was just hunting him down lol.. I thought in that first round that Mirko was back and hungry for sure.

I hope not, but I think Mirko is going to retire at this point..

shlammed

he still has 2 fights left on his contract

imported_Zyepher

hey luka how much did you cry on sat?